Ufo's Plasma....(yeah right!!)

[Paul Leeks]

Hi Ya!!

I am sure that the UK MoD report on Ufo's might explain some things such as Plasma..

but it doesn't explain everything

orbs are real and intelligently controlled,can disappear at will and appear in places of interest

I am researching the Kaikoura UFO incident and was with the Ministry of Transport(Cival Aviation) at the time. plasma doesn't intelligently follow aircraft and wait for aeroplanes coming into land as... evidenced with the orb at the end of the Christchurch runway (book by Bill Startup,pilot of Argosy aircraft),they are paraphysical transmogrifications and can disappear at will,they are real intelligent manifestations besides plasma does not fly at odd/even flight levels eg FL210, FL240 consistently leaving radar after images on different days.

sorry again your scientific argument makes no sense, no substitute for experience!

and I am looking forward to the reunion at the end of the year!!

Paul L

[BigDon]

Are you talking about ball lightening?

[BigDon]

Before you go on with your guided by intelligence, ask yourself, how do severed power lines move and writhe when it's a limp piece of cable otherwise?

[Paul Leeks]

No Big Don

ball lightning is something else, not the same as intelligent,premeditated action from orb activity

like I say with the Kaikoura UFO incident I was with Cival Aviation at the time(NZ)

check this out:www.ufo-aliens.co.uk/area51.mpeg (does this look like ball lightning to you?)

also wires move at random,orbs appear in places of interest

they are here! (and I would say they are the"gods' of the Egyptians,Mayans...)

take care

PL(NZ)

to me it's fascinating

[Kaptain K]

does this look like ball lightning to you?
No! It looks like "server not found".

[Maksutov]

Hi [edit] LToSeeked (http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/75023-ufos-finally-understood-explained.html#post1255177).

[jokergirl]

Orbs? You mean the dust particles or raindrops caught in a camera flash or on an untidy lens?

[Paul Leeks]

I mean orbs as real paraphysical transmogrifiactions,not dust particles

Paul L

[captain swoop]

transmogrifications? Are they some kind of Pixie?

[Paul Leeks]

no they are not pixies,and I am helping to make a documentary on the Kaikoura UFO incident...I was with cival aviation, , the radar guys were puzzled, and so was everyone else...the object appeared in front of the aircraft during the landing at Christchurch aircraft..then took off and vanished!!!

Paul

[sarongsong]

...I am helping to make a documentary on the Kaikoura UFO incident...What do you have to work with---30 years later?
more (http://buforadio.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=sightingsnz&action=display&num=1081554190)

[captain swoop]

The same thing as all the UFO Doc makers, the prospect of making some cash off the believers.

[01101001]

orbs are real and intelligently controlled,can disappear at will and appear in places of interest

Question: why are you bringing the many outrageous, unsupported statements such as this to a science-oriented discussion forum? What is your agenda?

Do you desire to learn the degree of how nonsensical your statements are?

Are you curious about what bright light mainstream science can shed on the shady foundations of antiscience?

Do you hope to convince skeptical people to abandon their critical thinking skills and join you on a merry voyage upon the good ship Gullibility?

Why are you here? What is the draw for you? Did you mistake BAUTForum for GLP? Why us? I don't get it. Maybe you can enlighten us as to what you hope to accomplish here. Thanks!

[Paul Leeks]

I was working with cival aviation (telecommunications) and I would go out to the radar rooms at Wgtn airport, I have kept in touch with radar controllers and have contacts in the US,I emailed Captain Robert Collins(USAF,rtd ) this week who spent time working at Wright Patterson AFB , we are both of the opinion they (Orbs) come from another reality.

sometimes they look "stars" and can be observed in the infra red spectrum.. I have seen something myself along with someone else, there is a reunion in Blenheim end of year..the Argosy aircraft is expected to be there.

At the moment I am helping Paul Davidson with the doco

In the book by Bill Startup (pilot) the object changes shape (elliptical) and is something similar to an object over area 51.

Ball lightning..don't think so

anyway I have do get some more info,but back then it was an interesting time,the scientific report is a joke(squid boat reflections,Jupiter) in fact by experienced proff essionals it is even considered to be a farce.

Paul Leeks

[Veeger]

I'm starting to put it together now - levitations, OBEs, orbs - the Kaikoura orb was an out of body yogi lost in the ether trying to get back home.

When's the movie come out?

;)

[captain swoop]

Yogi was lost? He must have gone too far looking for Pickernick baskets.

[Paul Leeks]

011101..

No I am not out to make a cent, or change peoples attitudes. I just feel sorry people with a limited, black & white perspective on life...who arrogantly think that controlled experiments is everything..and everything else is pseudoscience..to me the scientific attitude is shallow,ignorant,and unrealistic..life is full of unusual things..and your beloved scientifc logical method does not explain everything!!

Peace!! and before you start accusing people(like making money from doco's which I am not-GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT..

use your experience..I do! WHY am I here so I can see how the other half live

and no I don't think I can elighten you..but an open mind can, it comes from YOU not ME! And no I am not gullible..my experience is more important than your LACK OF IT!

Paul Leeks

Peace Everyone (differences need not be divisions, LOVE FROM NZ)

[Veeger]

In many ways Paul, you remind me of a religious fundamentalist who establishes a world view on the basis of esoteric experiences in common with others of like experience. The world-view then supports an alternate reality which can not be substantiated, measured or observed by conventional methodologies.

Its fine with me if you want hold to this world view. But like 01101001, I have to wonder, why have you tried to introduce this on a scientific forum which is hostile to your point of view? Wouldn't you be better received elsewhere, or do you have agenda?

[Kaptain K]

...do you have agenda?

I am beginning to believe that it is some kind of initiation ritual.
First, he got himself banned as a sockpuppet, but managed to talk his way back in. \/
Next, he started throwing out every oddball idea under the sun as fact (with no real evidence). \/
Then he start tossing out ad homs, so far without getting banned. \/

My guess is that he is getting close to the number of posts he needs to "pass" the initiation and we will soon witness the blow-off. It should be spectacular!

ETA If I am wrong, I will humbly apologize.

[Paul Leeks]

1.I mentioned before I got banned with another loggin "schutzstaffeln-SS", I am a collector. I was not aware of the loggin procedure(my fault)..but thats been sorted out.

2 why am I here because there are some good people ( even though everyone is diiferent) we can still get along

3. what is an Ad Hom?

4. everyone has something to contribute and disagreements are inevitable

5. why did I edit this post because I stuffed it up and started again.

6. I look forward to the Kaikoura UFO reunion and the end of year

7. and plasma does not explain everything

Paul L

[Big Bad Boo]

no I not religious,but am spiritually minded

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA *snort* HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!



obtw with ESP ...I have had success with dice,horse, cards....WITHOUT CONSCIOUS EFFORT (small inner voice...that comes to you when not thinking about it..).a bit like when your trying to remember a phone number or the name of something from say 10 years ago...when your mind is RELAXED it comes to you WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT IT....is it a "word"...I am not sure if it is controllable...either comes to you or it doesn't


All I know is, screenshot, or it didn't happen.

[Paul Leeks]

good I am glad you kept that after I wrote that I realised it was in the wrong thread!!! so I started again as I mentioned in 5.above

OBTW I mean what I say

you can laugh about me being spiritually minded...I don't mind and you don't matter!!! (MIND OVER MATTER)

Cheers, Big Bad Boo come to NZ sometime it's a nice place!!

Paul L

[Big Bad Boo]

Mr. Leeks, I'm not laughing at you being "spiritually minded". I know a lot of "spiritually minded" people. We it them "religious" around these parts.

Now, one can be agnostic. But most agnostic people have an open mind.


I just find "I'm not religious, but am spiritually minded" is like saying "I'm a vegan, but I use meat products."

And that's stuff worth laughing at right there.

[Van Rijn]

good I am glad you kept that after I wrote that I realised it was in the wrong thread!!! so I started again as I mentioned in 5.above

OBTW I mean what I say

you can laugh about me being spiritually minded...I don't mind and you don't matter!!! (MIND OVER MATTER)


I think the humor was in the contradiction between the statements that you weren't religious, but that you were spiritually minded. Perhaps you were thinking of a particular type of religion?

(Edit: this post seems rather redundant. Oh, well.)

[Paul Leeks]

I get your point..it is funny!

Oh yeah! what is an Ad Hom?

PL

[Van Rijn]

Ad hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)

Basically, calling people names (of course, there is more to it than that).

[pzkpfw]

my experience is more important than your LACK OF IT!

Like your experience of levitation?

[Paul Leeks]

pzkpfw

I goto to the yoga centre and am familiar with the yoga sutras,know people that have gone to India,And I know that Pk/Levitation is practised by tibetan lamas..also it is known individuals have spontaneous experiences.

I would not be surprised if spontaneous PK is evident in a game like golf..where the ball magically goes into the hole..that there is spontanous psychokinetic effects and the golf player is unaware..I don't know about that one,but it's possible.(on a subconscious level)

mind is energy,matter is energy...the connection is thought energy

PL

[pzkpfw]

Now, how would you go about proving any of this?



(p.s. that's prove the ability, not prove the claim of the ability.)

[Van Rijn]

I goto to the yoga centre and am familiar with the yoga sutras,


But what is your experience with levitation?


know people that have gone to India,And I know that Pk/Levitation is practised by tibetan lamas..also it is known individuals have spontaneous experiences.


I'm still not hearing anything that sounds like experience with levitation.

[Paul Leeks]

I have no direct experience of levitation, but what Wally (William Harrison) showed me with a cigarette is very interesting,he is a spiritual guy,maori gentleman and it's obvious to me he knew what he was talking about

why don't you goto India or to Tibet and checkout those kind of places and ask someone about this sort of thing,or checkout the Rhine Institute, I bounced emails from Sally Rhine Feather (grand daughter of the founder) and read her book called "The Gift".

I have had experience with spontaneous OBE and ESP(precognition) dice,horses ,cards...(small inner voice,) I told you it comes to you WHEN NOT THINKING ABOUT IT. If you don't believe me thats not my problem.I am going to have a coffee and I busy helping to make a documentary about the Kaikoura UfO incident

and PZKPFW with a name like I have a great book on German Tanks,are you into that sort of thing?Oh yeah! hows that clavius website?some good people there.

PL

[pzkpfw]

I have no direct experience of levitation, ...

Nice to admit that. Thanks.

Do you see the problem when you also claim experience is so important?

...but what Wally (William Harrison) showed me with a cigarette is very interesting,

People are able to do that as a trick.

How would you go about proving that what he did was actually some kind of mind control thing?

Do you think a Las Vegas stage magician is really levitating his/her assistant?

How would you prove one levitation is a trick and another is "real"?



...I busy helping to make a documentary about the Kaikoura UfO incident

I hope it makes it to local T.V. - would be interested to see what you come up with.



and PZKPFW with a name like I have a great book on German Tanks,are you into that sort of thing?

Sorry, I'm not going there, here, with you.

[Big Bad Boo]

I goto to the yoga centre and am familiar with the yoga sutras,know people that have gone to India,And I know that Pk/Levitation is practised by tibetan lamas..also it is known individuals have spontaneous experiences.

I know people who have gone to India. That sentence doesn't mean a thing except that your friends can afford vacations.

Your defense for your point doesn't prove anything to us besides the fact that you might be insanely gullible.

(Anyway, to the other members- I'm going to keep off this and any other threads by this guy. Have fun dissecting posts for me!)

[mittens]

I would not be surprised if spontaneous PK is evident in a game like golf..where the ball magically goes into the hole..that there is spontanous psychokinetic effects and the golf player is unaware..I don't know about that one,but it's possible.(on a subconscious level)

Not to cause trouble here or anything, but after that comment I really want to say this guy is a troll.

[Bolasanibk]

pzkpfw

I goto to the yoga centre and am familiar with the yoga sutras,know people that have gone to India,And I know that Pk/Levitation is practised by tibetan lamas..also it is known individuals have spontaneous experiences.

...
PL

Hey, I am from India and I have seen a man levitating with my own eyes.
But I didn't know Criss Angel was a tibetan lama. :whistle:

[Tedward]

I have to ask if this levitation is the yoga hopping around method again? I have seen it when it was displayed as levitation on TV but appeared to be hopping around in a yoga position on mats.

[Kaptain K]

Didn't you notice how much longer they stayed in the air?

Me neither!

[mittens]

Hey, I am from India and I have seen a man levitating with my own eyes.

I got a friend from India and he told me one of the ways they do this is with a cane. Theres a little chair like support built into the cane and the cane is basically welded to the ground so all the guy has to do is sit in it all day and wait for people to throw him cash. I have no idea if yours had a cane but thats one I've seen alot.

[Paul Leeks]

No I am not a troll( if that means deliberate manipulation) I am Paul Leeks and live in Wellington ,New Zealand ...Pzkpfw knows that !If I was a troll would I give you my details?

Paul Leeks,

[pzkpfw]

Yes; giving us your details is explained by something completely different.



(By the way, I have not, can not, and don't particularly want to: verify that you are who you say you are. I'm content to simply know that you are someone who logs on to BAUT.)

[Maksutov]

Hey, I am from India and I have seen a man levitating with my own eyes....And now you want your eyes back.

[sarongsong]

...and I['m] busy helping to make a documentary about the Kaikoura UfO incident...Good luck on improving the History Channel's 5-minute segment on it in:UFO Files
Episode: Black Box UFO Secrets
Reveals for the first time the cockpit and control tower audio recordings of pilot and astronaut confrontations and sightings of unidentified flying objects high in our skies...
history.com (http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=266257)