Bigfoot/Alien connection

[jms88]

I've been reading lately that Bigfoot may actually be an alien and this is why he is so elusive. Also, he has been spotted on Mars:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/01/23/scimars123.xml

In other Bigfoot news, there is a group of gentlemen that claim to have a frozen Bigfoot carcass. They supposedly will be revealing it next month:

http://bigfoottracker.com/

[gwiz]

Or possible Bigfoot is elusive because the man in the ape suit got bored and stopped performing?

[jms88]

Or possible Bigfoot is elusive because the man in the ape suit got bored and stopped performing?

Yeah, but what about the Bigfoot carcass they are going to reveal next month?

[tdvance]

Yeah, but what about the Bigfoot carcass they are going to reveal next month?

Ok--at Midnight Sunday August 31, we'll know for sure. If there is a verifiable Bigfoot carcass by then, it will be quite a discovery--all over the news and nobody will doubt Bigfoot ever again. If you want to make a bet though, I'd strongly suggest betting that there won't be.

[jms88]

Ok--at Midnight Sunday August 31, we'll know for sure. If there is a verifiable Bigfoot carcass by then, it will be quite a discovery--all over the news and nobody will doubt Bigfoot ever again. If you want to make a bet though, I'd strongly suggest betting that there won't be.

You're right, we shall see. You and all of the Bigfoot naysayers will have a lot of crow to eat.

The guys on that website seem very credible so I don't think they are lying.

[tdvance]

And you will too, when it turns out the other way--promise us a public retraction and Mia Culpa when that happens?

[NEOWatcher]

I've been reading lately that Bigfoot may actually be an alien and this is why he is so elusive. Also, he has been spotted on Mars:
Yep. Old news.
http://www.bautforum.com/astronomy/74976-just-when-we-thought-safe-get-excited.html
http://www.bautforum.com/off-topic-babbling/69444-man-mars.html

In other Bigfoot news, there is a group of gentlemen that claim to have a frozen Bigfoot carcass. They supposedly will be revealing it next month:
Don't call and waste thier time? Why, because they don't have answers?

I'm still trying to figure out the intro. A lot of flash for just a few sentences.
Or, maybe it's a clue that bigfoot is really David Hasselhof.

[samkent]

What you bet the freezer quits the week before the reveal. What's left will be a big fuzzy mass of meat in a box.

[Swift]

I've been reading lately that Bigfoot may actually be an alien and this is why he is so elusive. Also, he has been spotted on Mars:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/01/23/scimars123.xml

Or possible Bigfoot is elusive because the man in the ape suit got bored and stopped performing?
Actually, the truth is that Bigfoot is an alien in an ape suit. The teenager aliens got bored with just making crop circles and buzzing people on back roads.

[LaurelHS]

Or possible Bigfoot is elusive because the man in the ape suit got bored and stopped performing?

No, they fired him because he kept accidentally revealing his wristwatch in the Bigfoot videos. I saw it on The Simpsons.

[vonmazur]

And you will too, when it turns out the other way--promise us a public retraction and Mia Culpa when that happens?

The Roman Centurion from "Life of Brian" is going to visit you!!!

"MEA CULPA, MEA CULPA, MEA MAXIMA CULPA"

MIA Culpa was married to Woody Allen for a while....

Dale

[John Jones]

The Roman Centurion from "Life of Brian" is going to visit you!!!

"MEA CULPA, MEA CULPA, MEA MAXIMA CULPA"

MIA Culpa was married to Woody Allen for a while....

Dale


I was thinking so. Mia Culpa also worked with Woody in The Red Planet of Cairo DOOM, or something very similar.

The connection is so obvious, only a paid shill would deny it.

I'm glad we got this all figured-out!

[John Jones]

Actually, the truth is that Bigfoot is an alien in an ape suit. The teenager aliens got bored with just making crop circles and buzzing people on back roads.


This is my favorite conspiracy theory to date.

[Joe Boy]

I want in on that bet--I say there will be no showing and if there is it will be proven to be a hoax, and I'm half a woo! joe

[BigDon]

And I thought Chemtrails were the "ghetto of conspiracy theories".:doh:

[Stuart van Onselen]

What's lower than a ghetto? Sleeping in a cardboard box under an overpass? Is that were we'll find the alien Bigfoot? :)

[BigDon]

What's lower than a ghetto? Sleeping in a cardboard box under an overpass? Is that were we'll find the alien Bigfoot? :)

*I've* found some there.

[jasonof2000]

Whey are they waiting such a long time to reveal the carcass? Why not immediately hand it over to someone to do DNA testing an an autopsy?
Oh yeah, they don't have a corpse!

[Neverfly]

jms88 you lost any credibility when you opened your statement with BigFoot is a Martian.
Since Woo's always direct folks to YouTube and say "Watch This Video"
I will do the same.
Watch This Video:
http://pop.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ-CiG7seUU
Apparently Martian Bigfoots are Miniatures.

Next, the "body" they claim they have will never come to surface and they will claim that Men In Black raided their freezer and stole:
Three boxes of Eggo Waffles.
One Frozen Bigfoot Corpse
One Salamander Man Corpse
The Incredible Hulks Pinky
One drum of Bon Bons
One Digeorno Supreme Anchovy Pizza

[Lianachan]

Maybe Bigfoot is Chewbacca, then - I understand he's a tall, hairy alien.

Or maybe Bungle from Rainbow (http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lgpp0127+bungle-george-zippy-rainbow-poster.jpg)!

[Van Rijn]

You're right, we shall see. You and all of the Bigfoot naysayers will have a lot of crow to eat.

The guys on that website seem very credible so I don't think they are lying.

Are you talking about the very slick and very obviously commercial bigfoot tracker site? Are you kidding?

[pzkpfw]

I'm pretty sure I saw a documentary about this, when I was about five.

It was called "The six million dollar man".

[Tuckerfan]

I'm pretty sure I saw a documentary about this, when I was about five.

It was called "The six million dollar man".

Yes, and in the documentary, it was revealed that bigfoot was an alien robot, built by aliens who had crashed on Earth and were unable to return to their home world. The bigfoot robot would chase away any people who got too close to the aliens. These were different than the group of aliens on a previous episode of the documentary who had crashed on a tropical island and used a forcefield to keep the island invisible until it broke and was discovered by former astronaut Steve Austin.

[Van Rijn]

Ow, Ow. Thanks so much. I'd managed to suppress the memory of the alien/robot bigfoot Six Million Dollar Man story line. Now you pulled it back out of deep memory. :wall:

Oh, and now my traitorous brain has turned up the memory of the bionic dog as well. Youch.

[Tuckerfan]

Ow, Ow. Thanks so much. I'd managed to suppress the memory of the alien/robot bigfoot Six Million Dollar Man story line. Now you pulled it back out of deep memory. :wall:

Oh, and now my traitorous brain has turned up the memory of the bionic dog as well. Youch.No love for the bionic watermelon?

[pzkpfw]

Don't know if this counts as off topic or not, but:

Recently I saw the first (?) episode on a local channel that had started showing them all again.

It was kind of OKish, and there was a tension between Steve and the Boss (Goldman?) that was interesting (Steve kind of didn't want to be an agent, Goldman was happy to manipulate him).

But even as a five year old the Big Foot espisodes reeked. I didn't even know of the other alien episode mentioned above.

So I wonder, did this show invent "Jumping the shark" [before Happy Days did?]

(So I go and look: http://www.jumptheshark.com/topic/Six-Million-Dollar-Man/Six-Million-Dollar-Man-General/1804)

[captain swoop]

There was a pilot movie for a tv series 'Journey to the Centre of the Earth' about a bunch of scientists and a Gung -Ho military type having adventures in their underground craft. It involved meeting a 'Yeti' who had been banished to the 'Underworlld' by his race because he wasn't pacifist enough.

[Van Rijn]

Don't know if this counts as off topic or not, but:

Recently I saw the first (?) episode on a local channel that had started showing them all again.

It was kind of OKish, and there was a tension between Steve and the Boss (Goldman?) that was interesting (Steve kind of didn't want to be an agent, Goldman was happy to manipulate him).

I was just thinking something similar. I didn't know the term "jump the shark," but I do remember when that show got incredibly bad, even for a not terribly sophisticated teenager.

The pilot was quite impressive. Once you accepted the basic premise (with technology way beyond state of the art), it could be taken pretty seriously. Unfortunately, it slid quickly. Sasquatch was one of the very low points. I think the bionic dog came later, and was, if anything, worse (I vaguely remember it holding a car by the bumper using its bionic jaws).

[Tuckerfan]

I was just thinking something similar. I didn't know the term "jump the shark," but I do remember when that show got incredibly bad, even for a not terribly sophisticated teenager.

The pilot was quite impressive. Once you accepted the basic premise (with technology way beyond state of the art), it could be taken pretty seriously. Unfortunately, it slid quickly. Sasquatch was one of the very low points. I think the bionic dog came later, and was, if anything, worse (I vaguely remember it holding a car by the bumper using its bionic jaws).So the fact that a guy with a bionic arm and legs could pick up a car without his spine collapsing didn't bother you?

[Tuckerfan]

Oh yeah, it looks like Bigfoot (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000764/) was Andre the Giant's first non-wrestling acting role.

[pzkpfw]

So the fact that a guy with a bionic arm and legs could pick up a car without his spine collapsing didn't bother you?

The other classic: holding down a Helicopter using strength and his own body-weight alone.

(New Scientist did an article on the Bionic Man, at the time. My parents used to bring the magazine home from work, so I read it then.)

As VR said - "once you accepted the basic premise". Different people have different levels of what they can accept (and what kind of thing).

Me, I kind of enjoyed "Armageddon", but people 'round here treat it like month old sushi.

[Van Rijn]

So the fact that a guy with a bionic arm and legs could pick up a car without his spine collapsing didn't bother you?

I can't say for sure, but I didn't think they had that in the initial pilot. Of course, I do remember thinking that running sixty miles an hour would be incredibly tricky to control and would tend to tear one apart unless it was more than just the legs that were bionic.

[captain swoop]

In the original bnook he had a gun in his hand.

[tdvance]

And to unite this with a Cliche I mentioned in the Movie cliche thread a while back--

Wikipedia says there's a new Six Million Dollar Man movie being made.

I guess there's nothing new in Hollywood.

[lurner]

In other Bigfoot news, there is a group of gentlemen that claim to have a frozen Bigfoot carcass. They supposedly will be revealing it next month:

http://bigfoottracker.com/

I know that if I had a Bigfoot carcass, I'd hide it for a month while I build a flashy JavaScript filled website to promote the idea. The flashy website is key.

[jms88]

Only ten more days to go! I can't wait!

I've actually booked an expedition with these guys in September and it only costs $500.00. I'm glad I got in now before they sold out all of the open spots. Once they release the body next month the cost of the expeditions is going to rise dramatically.

[Gillianren]

Wow. I'm just thinking of all the other places I could spend $500.

[Tedward]

Wonder what else can be made to look like a so called big foot after a short while getting cosy with maggots?

[JayUtah]

Five hundred bucks? That's, like, a band saw.

[Fazor]

My friend has fairly big feet, I'll let you see him if you give me $500. That's almost enough to cover the guitar I've been dieing to buy for the past year.

[publiusr]

What would really be creepy?

If it turns out they have the body of a hoaxer with good make-up who was shot by some hunter. Next thing you know you have a murder trial all over CourtTV /TruTV

[gzhpcu]

Alien - Big Foot connection? Ho hum.... Can't they tie in Nessie somehow? I mean now that NASA has some evidence pointing to water on Mars? :)

[Fazor]

Alien - Big Foot connection? Ho hum.... Can't they tie in Nessie somehow? I mean now that NASA has some evidence pointing to water on Mars? :)

Nessie is Big Foot's pet, who he leaves in the Loche when he needs to clean her tank back home on Mars.

Duh.



;)

[Night G]

500 Bucks? I could have a nice 3-day weekend in Galveston for that.

[jms88]

500 Bucks? I could have a nice 3-day weekend in Galveston for that.

I didn't know you could have a nice weekend in Galveston for any amount of money :lol:

Besides, this is a chance to be a part of history so that far outweighs the cost of the expedition.

[captain swoop]

What History? What does the expedition entail? Are you taking any traps?

[John Jones]

Wonder what else can be made to look like a so called big foot after a short while getting cosy with maggots?

I was at a carnival side-show once, and they turned an obvious Frankenstein mannequin into big foot with some flesh-tone spray paint, some glue, and a lot of fake fur.

Bigfoot had a square forehead, but no bolts in his neck.

[Swift]

Every time I see this thread title I think of the Muppet song The Rainbow Connection (http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/m/muppets9423/rainbowconnection314602.html)...

The Bigfoot Connection
Someday we'll find it, the Bigfoot connection.
The aliens, the woowoos and me.

[slang]

Besides, this is a chance to be a part of history so that far outweighs the cost of the expedition.

Somehow, I suspect it will be an expensive lesson in opportunity, capitalism and economics, rather than history.

[Van Rijn]

I didn't know you could have a nice weekend in Galveston for any amount of money :lol:

Besides, this is a chance to be a part of history so that far outweighs the cost of the expedition.

For your sake, I hope you aren't serious. If you are, prepare to be disappointed.

My guess is that you and a group will be taken on a camping trip with some guide telling you lots of stuff about Bigfoot - made up, of course. If they go all out, they'll have some guy dress up in a modified gorilla suit that the guide will just "happen" to see at extreme distance, and will point it out to the group.

[captain swoop]

plus they will find some 'tracks' and maybe some place the Bigfoot made an overnight Den

[Neverfly]

How much does it cost to see bigfoot?
Advance:
Adult.....$15 Child*.....$5

Gate:
Adult.....$18 Child*.....$10
http://www.diseno-art.com/images/bigfoot_5.jpg

[jms88]

Well, I just watched this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRcKClMRz4I) and it seems that scientists are now flying in to Georgia to have a look at the Bigfoot corpse. I think we are just days away from major news that will change the world.

The scientist in this video, Dr. Van Buren, seems to be quite knowledgeable and trustworthy. I think he lends a great deal of credit to the Bigfoot trackers claims. We'll see what his biological analysis of the creature turns up. I'm so very excited!

[tdvance]

What is his doctorate in, and from what university is it? I can find zero credentials on the guy. The only doctoral thesis of any Dr. Paul Van Buren I could find was of a person of that name who died in 1998.

[Van Rijn]

What is his doctorate in, and from what university is it? I can find zero credentials on the guy. The only doctoral thesis of any Dr. Paul Van Buren I could find was of a person of that name who died in 1998.

From a little googling, I found this:

http://www.myspace.com/paulvanburen

About me:
I'm a primate researcher working out of Texas. My interests include anthropology, geology, animal pathology and science and more. I am a graduate of a well known Texas school, which I'd rather not list at this time; I don't wish to tarnish the reputation of my school or my colleagues b/c of the nature of my studies (Bigfoot), given the subjects folklore and stereotype among other scientists and the public at large.

Yes, I'm decidedly underwhelmed.

[Van Rijn]

Well, I just watched this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRcKClMRz4I) and it seems that scientists are now flying in to Georgia to have a look at the Bigfoot corpse. I think we are just days away from major news that will change the world.

The scientist in this video, Dr. Van Buren, seems to be quite knowledgeable and trustworthy. I think he lends a great deal of credit to the Bigfoot trackers claims. We'll see what his biological analysis of the creature turns up. I'm so very excited!

That video (I actually watched it) with the view of the black bag (I guess the bigfoot was supposed to be under it) and the "scientist" talking about the "missing link" (give me a break) screamed "fake."

[JayUtah]

And his most recent Myspace blog describes how "someone cut the power" to the place where the carcass is allegedly being kept. Sounds like the buildup to a great body-snatching tale. I can see the headline, Bigfoot Carcass Stolen Just Days Before Unveiling to Scientists!

[Van Rijn]

Yes, that makes sense. Having the supposed evidence conveniently disappear would be by far their best option. In the video, they talked about threatening phone calls. They're pushing a persecution story. I'd guess they'll end up accusing government agents of taking their stuff.

[jt-3d]

I'd guess they'll end up accusing government agents of taking their stuff.


Or sabotaging the refrigerator of the place so their big foot melts. And we'll all say 'Gee, what a shocker' and poor jms will believe their story because they seem so credible, despite several predictions here that no bigfooty will be unveiled. No good can come from this. :(

[Tuckerfan]

For your sake, I hope you aren't serious. If you are, prepare to be disappointed.

My guess is that you and a group will be taken on a camping trip with some guide telling you lots of stuff about Bigfoot - made up, of course. If they go all out, they'll have some guy dress up in a modified gorilla suit that the guide will just "happen" to see at extreme distance, and will point it out to the group.

This is why you should have a GPS unit, a walkie-talkie, and a friend with a GPS, walkie-talkie, and a .30-06 following behind (unbeknownst to the guide). I'm sure much hiliarity will ensue when your friend pops up and "bags" ol' Sasquatch. :D

[Abaddon]

Interesting research on the main players in the story

http://bigfootdiscussions.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2944&view=findpost&p=1396885

Seems a scam may be afoot, or even a bigfoot

[Joe Boy]

And his most recent Myspace blog describes how "someone cut the power" to the place where the carcass is allegedly being kept. Sounds like the buildup to a great body-snatching tale. I can see the headline, Bigfoot Carcass Stolen Just Days Before Unveiling to Scientists!

Too bad the "scientists" took jms88's $500 to the saloon instead of investing in a little Honda generator for their freezer . . . I rest my case, have a fun safari!

[JayUtah]

I'll bet the carcass mysteriously disappears just before being "revealed," leading to endless debate over whether they actually had one, or which nefarious Gubmint agency allegedly stole it.

[Laguna]

But the $500 tour will take place for sure.
Better not expect to the the bigfoot familiy.

[Grashtel]

But the $500 tour will take place for sure.
Better not expect to the the bigfoot familiy.
Or at least there won't be any refunds of the $500

[Tedward]

I was at a carnival side-show once, and they turned an obvious Frankenstein mannequin into big foot with some flesh-tone spray paint, some glue, and a lot of fake fur.

Bigfoot had a square forehead, but no bolts in his neck.


I was thinking along the lines of recently deceased.

But the other night, there was an episode of "League of Gentlemen" that also got me thinking of other possibilities should someone want to. Basically shop owner wants to stop road project. To stop road project he raids the zoo of all three animals and stitches them together. Pig, monkey and a goat. I think. Then straps it to a big cross and deposits it where the construction crew will find it in an attempt to scare them off. Its a comedy for those not in the know.

So, combinations?

[Neverfly]

I was thinking along the lines of recently deceased.

But the other night, there was an episode of "League of Gentlemen" that also got me thinking of other possibilities should someone want to. Basically shop owner wants to stop road project. To stop road project he raids the zoo of all three animals and stitches them together. Pig, monkey and a goat. I think. Then straps it to a big cross and deposits it where the construction crew will find it in an attempt to scare them off. Its a comedy for those not in the know.

So, combinations?

Sounds like a Scooby Doo Plot:neutral:

[Fazor]

Sounds like a Scooby Doo Plot:neutral:

And they would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for us know-it-all kids, and our pesky thespian Jay.

[JayUtah]

I think the folks who matched the characters in this drama with photos of their "actors" deserve a lot of credit. That's some good work.

[Abaddon]

It was well done. I like that they had the presence of mind to take screenies of the various websites they found. I was going to attempt something similar and found that site on my first google.

No point reinventing the wheel.

[tdvance]

And his most recent Myspace blog describes how "someone cut the power" to the place where the carcass is allegedly being kept. Sounds like the buildup to a great body-snatching tale. I can see the headline, Bigfoot Carcass Stolen Just Days Before Unveiling to Scientists!



Either that or the "legal issues" won't get "worked out"--that being the excuse he gave for not revealing Bigfoot right away.

[Joe Boy]

I might have signed up for the saloon tour, as long is it was on jms88's coin. After a few hours they might even be able to convice me I had seen the Big Foot!!

[tdvance]

You'd think--but at a place called Memphis Barbecue, the menu said drinking their signature beer made you see Elvis. I tried it--it didn't work.

[Swift]

From a little googling, I found this:

http://www.myspace.com/paulvanburen
About me:
I'm a primate researcher working out of Texas. My interests include anthropology, geology, animal pathology and science and more. I am a graduate of a well known Texas school, which I'd rather not list at this time; I don't wish to tarnish the reputation of my school or my colleagues b/c of the nature of my studies (Bigfoot), given the subjects folklore and stereotype among other scientists and the public at large.


Yes, I'm decidedly underwhelmed.
My bold in the myspace quote.

I've never heard an actual PhD scientist (or any scientist for that matter) describe one of the their research interests as "science". And not listing what actual school the degree is from is very suspicious.

[jms88]

Just so you know, I was pulling your chain. I wouldn't give these morons a thin dime. In fact, I take it they don't like me to much by what they had to say in their last YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9SUvRQHoJg

[Swift]

Just so you know, I was pulling your chain. I wouldn't give these morons a thin dime. In fact, I take it they don't like me to much by what they had to say in their last YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9SUvRQHoJg
So your whole discussion was a joke? Not funny, not for this long.
And stop linking to YouTube videos, I'm not going to waste my time and many of us have restrictions on sites we can visit (at work) or bandwidth.

[jms88]

So your whole discussion was a joke? Not funny, not for this long.
And stop linking to YouTube videos, I'm not going to waste my time and many of us have restrictions on sites we can visit (at work) or bandwidth.

Lighten up Francis.

[Van Rijn]

Just so you know, I was pulling your chain. I wouldn't give these morons a thin dime. In fact, I take it they don't like me to much by what they had to say in their last YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9SUvRQHoJg

I saw about half of that earlier. There's a little bad language in there, but they admit the "doctor" is really the brother, and complain about a jms8888, among others. They aren't happy to have been caught.

So, jms, why the line here?

[Joe Boy]

Just so you know, I was pulling your chain. I wouldn't give these morons a thin dime. In fact, I take it they don't like me to much by what they had to say in their last YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9SUvRQHoJg

I think it more likely you were shamed into submission by the overwhelmingly intellectual power of the baut forum members which had you hanging your head in "woo woo shame" and in the last seconds before you were about to take your own life you concocted this pitiful tale of retraction . . . (was that a run-on sentence!!?)

[Grashtel]

You'd think--but at a place called Memphis Barbecue, the menu said drinking their signature beer made you see Elvis. I tried it--it didn't work.
You obviously didn't drink enough then, go back and keep drinking long enough and you will be seeing Elvis on his pink elephant soon enough :D

[BigDon]

You obviously didn't drink enough then, go back and keep drinking long enough and you will be seeing Elvis on his pink elephant soon enough :D

I don't care HOW much I drank, I don't think I'd care to see Elvis' pink elephant.

[Abaddon]

I cant help wondering...

Why did they mention jms88 explicitly?

No critical youtube comments (until after the above video).

Nothing critical elsewhere that I can find.

Why is that, do you suppose?

[jms88]

I cant help wondering...

Why did they mention jms88 explicitly?

No critical youtube comments (until after the above video).

Nothing critical elsewhere that I can find.

Why is that, do you suppose?

Hmmm...sounds like you might be on to your own little conspiracy theory.....

[Neverfly]

jms88, maybe it would help if you reduce confusion by clarifying the purpose of the thread and who you are, what your statements are- etc.

I appreciate fun and humor as much as anyone:) But at the moment, I cannot figure you out...

I watched about half the video posted earlier. It seemed humorous skeptics reviewing Bigfoot Tracker. But it doesn't clarify who you are, why you sposted it, if it was against you or for you, if jms8888 is you or if you are impersonating jms8888 with jms88 or what.

[Van Rijn]

Hmmm...sounds like you might be on to your own little conspiracy theory.....

He is suspicious, as am I. You've already admitted you were "pulling our chains." Clearly, there is a hoax involved here (that was never in doubt), but with your attitude and lack of explanation, it's not obvious exactly what your part in the hoax is.

[JayUtah]

Just so you know, I was pulling your chain. I wouldn't give these morons a thin dime.

Less and less is adding up. Please explain who you are and exactly what role you play in this Bigfoot-carcass scenario. And please don't allow your explanation to be simply more links to cryptic references.

[captain swoop]

Looks like an attempt to incorperate BAUT into the hoax.

[Fazor]

...and of course, the big question...where's the space-related conspiracy?

[BertL]

...and of course, the big question...where's the space-related conspiracy?
Aliens, man, Aliens. :D

[jokergirl]

Psst people... Bigfoot's actually an illegally immigrated wookiee.

;)

[Swift]

Psst people... Bigfoot's actually an illegally immigrated wookiee.

;)
Not only that, but apparently the Immigration people have finally caught up with him.

Photo proof (http://www.defensetech.org/images/chewie_bagged_combo.JPG)
Yep, proven (http://jasonnardi.com/icec/blogs/media/wookie-thumbS.jpg)

[Fazor]

...good point. So is the corpse in a freezer, or was it frozen in carbonite?

[Sceptic-Kid]

its quite interesting that on the website there are no pictures of 'Bigfoot' just testimonials..... i wont believe anything until there is REASON to believe it and proof to support it

[Neverfly]

its quite interesting that on the website there are no pictures of 'Bigfoot' just testimonials..... i wont believe anything until there is REASON to believe it and proof to support it

One basic reason that I don't believe in many myths, is not because of evidence even...

It's because we've been around a very, very long time.
And we are imaginative folks with a tendency to take flights of fancy.

If Bigfoot was real, we wouldn't NEED proof. We would be well aware of it's existance.

I have never once in my life seen a giraffe.
Ever.

You expect me to believe that there is an animal with a neck like a firetruck ladder?!
well, I do believe it.

[jokergirl]

Although Bigfoot will likely remain a myth, scientists seem to be actually considering his Asian cousin to exist:

BBC: 'Yeti hair' to get DNA analysis (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7525060.stm)

;)

[Neverfly]

Interestingly, Orangutan is an Indonesian word. It means, "Man of the Forest."

[BigDon]

And the only reason they don't speak is because they know we'll put them to work. This is according to the locals. Gotta believe the locals, they live there after all.

[jokergirl]

And the only reason they don't speak is because they know we'll put them to work. This is according to the locals. Gotta believe the locals, they live there after all.

Well, that makes sense anyway.

Speaking of cryptozoology, what's with that weird beached creature the whole internet is abuzz about recently? (And I thought Barnum&Bailey were dead.)

;)

[tnjrp]

The "Montauk monster", which I assume you are referring to, is most likely a bloated and decayed carcass of a raccoon:
http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2008/08/the_montauk_monster.php#more

[BigDon]

Ick

[NEOWatcher]

The "Montauk monster", which I assume you are referring to...
Nope, different carcass.
Actually, the montauk monster carcass had been destroyed by some childish antics.

[jasonof2000]

Nope, different carcass.
Actually, the montauk monster carcass had been destroyed by some childish antics.

That racoon is the only Montauk monster I've ever heard of.

[tnjrp]

Same here: the carcass "dissected" in the link I gave is the only one I've heard about or seen on the 'net lately. Must've missed the real deal then... An honest mistake, I assure.

[jms88]

Looks like we will know for certain on Friday

http://www.foxreno.com/news/17174989/detail.html

[tdvance]

But if a verifiable Bigfoot corpse is not presented Friday, I predict Bigfoot promoters have a ready excuse....

Actually, I predict either no corpse or a faked corpse will be presented Friday. In the former case, there will be a ready excuse (Dog ate my evidence!) either that or it's a genuine bigfoot which just happens to have the same DNA and body structure as a bear.

[NEOWatcher]

But if a verifiable Bigfoot corpse is not presented Friday, I predict Bigfoot promoters have a ready excuse...
In fact, the article never mentions the corpse will be presented. Only DNA evidence will be presented.
The corpse will only be "studied" by "unnamed" scientists.

[tdvance]

ah, but Bigfoot DNA was presented a year or so ago already, in a tuft of Bigfoot fur! It mimicked Yak DNA, in fact.

[Neverfly]

ah, but Bigfoot DNA was presented a year or so ago already, in a tuft of Bigfoot fur! It mimicked Yak DNA, in fact.

This proves that BigFoot is an evolutionary descendant of Yaks.

His Most Recent Common Ancestor was BigHoof.

[John Jones]

But if a verifiable Bigfoot corpse is not presented Friday, I predict Bigfoot promoters have a ready excuse....

Actually, I predict either no corpse or a faked corpse will be presented Friday. In the former case, there will be a ready excuse (Dog ate my evidence!) either that or it's a genuine bigfoot which just happens to have the same DNA and body structure as a bear.

:chuckle:

[Fazor]

Looks like we will know for certain on Friday

http://www.foxreno.com/news/17174989/detail.html

I shot back here after seeing this story linked from CNN.com (wow, it's hit the "big time" :rolleyes:)
Here's that version (http://www.ktvu.com/news/17174989/detail.html)

"Suprisingly" there's some discrepancies between this story, and the website originally linked. "I can't wait" until Friday. It's "soo exciting".

Crud...just broke the governer off my sarcasmatron.

[Joe Boy]

If they show up with a real Big Foot Friday I fear I may have a woo relapse. I trusted you guys and gals. You all said Big Foot was a bunch of "hogwash", so to speak. I may even lash out, although that is certainly not my nature you know, Joe (nice) Boy and all. My guess is they may even lie about the DNA just to keep things going a bit longer. It just has to be a money thing. I'm more curious about the scam than I am about the DNA. Will it be clever and creative or just the usual dopey fare. We'll see soon I guess--jnb

[Neverfly]

If they show up with a real Big Foot Friday I fear I may have a woo relapse. I trusted you guys and gals. You all said Big Foot was a bunch of "hogwash", so to speak. I may even lash out, although that is certainly not my nature you know, Joe (nice) Boy and all. My guess is they may even lie about the DNA just to keep things going a bit longer. It just has to be a money thing. I'm more curious about the scam than I am about the DNA. Will it be clever and creative or just the usual dopey fare. We'll see soon I guess--jnb

Dagnabbit!
So THAT'S why that weird guy needed a blood and fur sample from me!!!

[Joe Boy]

The worst case scenerio is that I will have to take some advanced woo woo therapy like Neverfly verbally abusing me and calling me names for a few threads. Brutal man! But I would gladly do the same for him if the situation were reversed . . . what are friends for anyway??

[Neverfly]

The worst case scenerio is that I will have to take some advanced woo woo therapy like Neverfly verbally abusing me and calling me names for a few threads. Brutal man! But I would gladly do the same for him if the situation were reversed . . . what are friends for anyway??

Verb...
..ally...

Names?

Wha?

Am I that bad?http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/2.gif


.



You want we should cuddle instead?

[Joe Boy]

Verb...
..ally...

Names?

Wha?

Am I that bad?http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/2.gif


.



You want we should cuddle instead?

If you weren't that bad I wouldn't be talking to you--no cuddling!! Joe (not nice) Boy and proud of it . . .

[Neverfly]

(not nice) Boy and proud of it . . .

Same Here;)

And thanks for the compliment you WooWoo'ed wolf in a tinfoil hathttp://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/6.gif

[jasonof2000]

So... if this is proven to be a "real" Bigfoot does that mean the Apollo HB's could be right as well?

[Neverfly]

So... if this is proven to be a "real" Bigfoot does that mean the Apollo HB's could be right as well?

No.

[JayUtah]

So... if this is proven to be a "real" Bigfoot does that mean the Apollo HB's could be right as well?

If Ted Kaczynski is a serial killer, does that mean you might be one too?

[Joe Boy]

So... if this is proven to be a "real" Bigfoot does that mean the Apollo HB's could be right as well?

If Ted Kaczynski is a serial killer, does that mean you might be one too?

Drat, I wished I would have said that!! Beat me again Utah . . .

[Joe Boy]

Same Here;)

And thanks for the compliment you WooWoo'ed wolf in a tinfoil hathttp://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/6.gif

I run without the hat, let em come, I might even turn out the lights and leave my door unlocked--fun--jnnb

[jasonof2000]

No.

Dang!:lol:

BTW http://www.makeupandmonsters.com/FAKE_Bigfoot_stories.htm

[Van Rijn]

But, what if Bigfeet (plural of Bigfoot) are actually ETs from Nibiru, who helped the One World Government fake the moon landings in the Nevada desert? Huh? Huh?

[tnjrp]

Well, whatever that pile in the freezer really easy, it's for sure that these guys certainly have their 15 minutes of fame now. The "Bigfoot corpse" is all over the papers and whathaveyou, even here in Finland.

[Neverfly]

But, what if Bigfeet (plural of Bigfoot) are actually ETs from Nibiru, who helped the One World Government fake the moon landings in the Nevada desert? Huh? Huh?

Impossible.
I've never seen a BigFootPrint on the Moon Set.

Now, if you say they're on MArs- I can buy that.

[Joe Boy]

Don't get me going on mars. Jay will scold me, I still can't stay away from Mars Anomaly Research web site. But today is the day--we will know one way or another, maybe?

[Joe Boy]

But, what if Bigfeet (plural of Bigfoot) are actually ETs from Nibiru, who helped the One World Government fake the moon landings in the Nevada desert? Huh? Huh?

Maybe I'll lock my door after all . . .

[Swift]

CNN.com had a poll today:

Do you believe creatures like Bigfoot exist?
Yes 43% 52625
No 57% 68664
Total Votes: 121289

Pretty sad that 43% said yes.

[Neverfly]

CNN.com had a poll today:

Do you believe creatures like Bigfoot exist?
Yes 43% 52625
No 57% 68664
Total Votes: 121289

Pretty sad that 43% said yes.

One contributing factor may be that the survey was asked at a Monster Truck Rally.

[tdvance]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,404321,00.html


It's worse than I thought--not a bear or a yak or whatever, but the "Bigfoot corpse" is a costume!

[Fazor]

As if it wasn't fishy enough as is, the plan to show the body...which proportedly was what was going to happen today... is now:
Tom Biscardi plans to hold a press conference in Palo Alto, Calif., to divulge photos and DNA samples purportedly pertaining to a dead man-ape found in the Georgia woods.

Uh huh. At least the evil government didn't break in and steal it, or catastrophic freezer failure. Heh.

[JayUtah]

I think the handwaving excuses are being saved when the DNA analysis proves inconclusive or falsifies the claim. As for photos: well I've seen photos of the Devil's face in the plume from Mt. Pinatubo; they were in the Enquirer. So I'm prepared to believe anything.

[Joe Boy]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,404321,00.html


It's worse than I thought--not a bear or a yak or whatever, but the "Bigfoot corpse" is a costume!

I missed that possibility--too obvious I guess. I just don't understand why anyone would go through all this trouble and then not be able to produce. What in the hell is wrong with people anyway?!! These guys are just going to be perceived as bigger idiots than they are already suspected of being. I must be missing something here . . .

[tdvance]

warning--slow loading link--I guess half the US is trying to see this:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/thawed-creature-in-freezer1.jpg

yep, that looks like a skinned small-animal sitting about where the chest/neck should be--not exactly realistic to anybody who has any familiarity with anatomy.

[Fazor]

I missed that possibility--too obvious I guess. I just don't understand why anyone would go through all this trouble and then not be able to produce. What in the hell is wrong with people anyway?!! These guys are just going to be perceived as bigger idiots than they are already suspected of being. I must be missing something here . . .

They have some wrinkle up thier sleeves that they think will bring them the fame without the need to deliver the evidence. It's the same problem a lot of HB's or CT's have...they think there is some way out there to prove something without providing any evidence. And, as far as a "discovery" like this is concerned, mere photographs are not evidence.

[Van Rijn]

warning--slow loading link--I guess half the US is trying to see this:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/thawed-creature-in-freezer1.jpg

yep, that looks like a skinned small-animal sitting about where the chest/neck should be--not exactly realistic to anybody who has any familiarity with anatomy.

If you can't catch that link, you can check these posts and others in the JREF thread where they originally noticed the similarity to a commercial Bigfoot costume:

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3940986&postcount=56

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3940999&postcount=57

[Fazor]

Hmm... so, what happened? I was patiently waiting to hear the press release so I could make fun of them some more, and try to determine what the scam was... but I haven't heard anything. Did they even hold the confirence, or was there some excuse and a bow-out?

[Neverfly]

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_10218848

As for the DNA evidence, the men presented a copy of an email from the University of Minnesota reporting of the three distinct DNA sequences that showed up, one was inconclusive, one was human, and the third was from a possum.

He insisted the Georgia Bigfoot was the real deal.

"Do you think these men would have come this far for a hoax?" Biscardi asked.

"Yes," chorused the audience.

[Fazor]

Ah, thanks Never. That's exactly what I was looking for...and of course, exactly what we were all expecting.

[Laguna]

This hit the german major news today
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,572489,00.html

[Joe Boy]

I got back rather late last night from a Kenny Loggins concert. Couldn't sleep, so what's a woo to do? Turned on Coast to Coast. The first interview was with a gentleman who designs halloween costumes and the like. He said in so many words that the Big Foot supposedly frozen in a secret place was laughable. He said he was the one who designed and manufactured that Big Foot suit. He sells them to other costume distributors and suggested that these bozos bought it retail, slipped it over whatever, installed a pair of dentures and used some deer or cow eyes to finish it off. He was quite adament that it was one of his suits.

Coleman from Crypto came on in the next hour and debunked it further. When asked why or for what reasons these guys would do this knowing that they would soon be found out he indicated that their web site says "for entertainment purposes only" on the bottom and to view more pictures you would have to use your credit card. Considering the fact that Colman's site normally gets about 1 million hits a day and is now getting up to 10 million a day because of this controversy, you can just imagine the hits this Big Foot site is getting and at even a dollar a pop (and I don't know what the real price is to view more pictures), well, need I say more? That's the scoop gang--joe

[Stuart van Onselen]

"A fool and his money are soon parted" - usually by means of either the web or cell-phone downloads.

[captain swoop]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7564635.stm

BBC report on it.

[gzhpcu]

I can understand finding this type of stuff in tabloids, but mainstream press? CNN, BBC, New York Times, etc. ??? Similar to the recent Alien video circus. No background check on hoaxsters involved. Reporting standards really seem to be sinking...

[Laguna]

I can understand finding this type of stuff in tabloids, but mainstream press? CNN, BBC, New York Times, etc. ??? Similar to the recent Alien video circus. No background check on hoaxsters involved. Reporting standards really seem to be sinking...
Well, Spiegel-Online ripped it into pieces. Lots of background reporting.
About the "Scientiest" who is the one guys brother, about the pictures of a corpse that looks like an ape costume with added bowels, ...

[gzhpcu]

Yes, but why give it any coverage at all in the first place?

[slang]

Yes, but why give it any coverage at all in the first place?

Because it's summer. :)

[Laguna]

Its in the "Panorama" section. Thats the tabloid part of german news...
If I would have found it in the Science section, that would have been another story.

[gzhpcu]

You mean like the Scientific American?

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=bigfoot-press-conference-biscardi

Why give hoaxsters free publicity?

[Laguna]

You mean like the Scientific American?

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=bigfoot-press-conference-biscardi

Why give hoaxsters free publicity?
In this case, to ridicule them.

[gzhpcu]

In this case, to ridicule them.

Yes, but they are still in the press. IMHO the best way to deal with hoaxsters is for the mainstream press to totally ignore them from the very beginning.

[ToSeek]

Moved from "Conspiracy Theories" to "Off-Topic Babbing" as a topic of interest but not one that's appropriate to the CT forum.

[tdvance]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,406101,00.html

Hoaxers took (an undisclosed amount of) money for the "corpse", handed over the frozen "corpse", and disappeared. Upon melting, the "corpse" is of course a rubber suit.

[tdvance]

dup--got a "page not available" message and hit "try again" button.

[NEOWatcher]

Why give hoaxsters free publicity?
Here's CNN's reasons...
Why CNN covers things like this Bigfoot nonsense (http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/18/why-cnn-covers-things-like-this-bigfoot-nonsense/)

But I still disagree. Yes; it gets a lot of viewers, but so does batman. If you call yourself news, then report news. If you want to convey rumors, then call yourself something else.

What I would like to know now is if somebody is going to file fraud charges now that there is money involved.

[01101001]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,406101,00.html

Best thing there, at the end, a link:

• Click here to start your own Bigfoot hoax (http://thehorrordome.com/HDSHOPPINGPROPS/SasquatchLARGE.htm). (It's a link to HorrorDome, probable makers of the costume.)

[Van Rijn]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,406101,00.html

Hoaxers took (an undisclosed amount of) money for the "corpse", handed over the frozen "corpse", and disappeared. Upon melting, the "corpse" is of course a rubber suit.

From there:


The Biscardi team immediately went into crisis mode. Biscardi called Whitton and Dyer at their California hotel. They admitted it was a hoax and agreed to sign a promissory note at a meeting set for 8 a.m. Pacific time at the hotel.

But when Biscardi got there, he "found that they had left."

The interesting thing is that Whitton is a police officer. I have the feeling that Whitton and Dyer started this as a fun little joke and it got out of hand. There are some stories that they got quite a bit of money from website views (they apparently had a charge to see pictures), so that may be why they didn't admit it was a hoax before now (For that matter, I'd be surprised if Biscardi was ever fooled). I will be surprised if Whitton keeps his job, though. It seems a bit too public for a reprimand.

[Tuckerfan]

Well, if Biscardi wasn't "in on it," and money changed hands, then that's fraud. IIRC, that's a felony.

[PetersCreek]

And the website linked in the OP, http://bigfoottracker.com/ is now "Service Unavailable".

[Van Rijn]

Well, if Biscardi wasn't "in on it," and money changed hands, then that's fraud. IIRC, that's a felony.

I don't normally follow this subject, but in things I've read recently, previous Biscardi stories have been mentioned, and it sounds like Biscardi is a publicity hound, sort of a Bigfoot Hoagland or Uri Geller. Also, the Bigfoot suit had long since been identified online from images alone. But, even if he wasn't fooled, it matters little to a lawsuit, unless it can be shown he was playing along.

[cosmicdave]

What I find interesting about this Georgia Bigfoot fiasco is that the answer to who started the hoax is staring everybody right in the face and not one single big news establishment even picked it up.

Obviously, because I run a conspiracy website (Cosmic Conspiracies), I have been keeping my eye on this story, and wrote an article about it as soon as the story broke early last week. After it was revealed that the Bigfoot was nothing more than a costume, I decided to update my article and started to do a little digging on Tom Biscardi's website. What I found led me to the truth behind the hoax.

It didn't take me long to stumble across a page on http://www.searchingforbigfoot.com which was added in June 2008. It just so happens that during Tom Biscardi's travels to an alleged Bigfoot witness, he decided to pop in and see his old friend Philip Morris - owner of Morris Costumes' - The Worlds biggest costume shop, that is based in North Carolina. Not only did he visit the factory, he even had a guided tour and met the owner, Philip Morris!

It just so happens that the very same Philip Morris admitted on a local radio show in 2002 that he made a gorilla costume that was used in the famous Patterson Bigfoot film from 1967. Coincidence?

Morris claims he was reluctant to expose the hoax earlier for fear of harming his business. Morris said that he sold an ape suit to Patterson via mail-order in 1967, thinking it was going to be used in what Patterson described as a "prank"

Biscardi would have had prior knowledge of Philip Morris' involvement with the Patterson Bigfoot suit, because Morris was a guest on a special Bigfoot radio show, hosted by Biscardi, on March 14th 2007 to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the release of the Patterson video tape.

Did Biscardi visit the costume factory because he knew it was run by a man who had already made a Bigfoot suit for another famous hoax? Did Biscardi buy or order an ape suit while he was there? Is it any wonder that within a month of visiting the costume factory, Biscardi was involved in this story that eventually turned out to be no more than a frozen Bigfoot costume? Biscardi has already lied by saying that he was unaware it was an ape suit and yet he was more than willing to claim a week before on news channels that he had actually touched the body before it was frozen.

Check it out for yourself at http://www.searchingforbigfoot.com/June-July_2008 before he takes down the page.

What I find surprising is that this important information which was pretty easy to find was not picked up by any of the major news channels when they investigated the case.

If you were trying to create a hoax and try to appear innocent, would you claim that you were hoodwinked out of a $50,000 deal with these two dim witted fraudsters that until now, everybody believes are the people behind the hoax? What many people do not realise is that Biscardi said exactly the same thing (that he was hoodwinked) when he was involved in yet another bogus Bigfoot body fiasco in 2005! He charged people money to join a webcast that would allegedly show the body of a bigfoot. That footage never materialised.

I have now personally written to Philip Morris to ask if his company has sold an ape suit to Mr. Biscardi within the past few months. Their customer support has said they will pass on my Email.

[Neverfly]

CosmicDave:
Whatever.
1967?

Sheesh!:rolleyes:

[cosmicdave]

CosmicDave:
Whatever.
1967?

Sheesh!:rolleyes:

Probably 20 years before you were born? ROFL

[Neverfly]

Probably 20 years before you were born? ROFL

Incorrect assumption.

And what does that have to do with you claiming that the hoax BEGAN in 1867?

[Neverfly]

I have now personally written to Philip Morris to ask if his company has sold an ape suit to Mr. Biscardi within the past few months. Their customer support has said they will pass on my Email.

It's called, "Smile and nod..."

[Van Rijn]

On JREF, nobody took Biscardi's claims of innocence seriously (his antics aren't new, and the Bigfoot suit had already been identified from photos), but it was thought that he was capitalizing on the publicity these guys had managed to develop already. Whitton and Dyer are now saying the same thing. From:

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/clayton/stories/2008/08/21/bigfoot_theft_claim.html


A police report filed Thursday by an Indiana man who said he fronted the $50,000 on behalf of Biscardi alleges Whitton and Dyer took the money “by deceitful means” in exchange for the frozen carcass of a Bigfoot-like creature they claimed to have found in north Georgia.

But the men’s attorney, Steve Lister of Jonesboro, said the money was for publicizing the alleged find that Biscardi knew to be fabricated.

“My clients were paid a promotional fee,” Lister said. “This started out as fun for them. Now they are caught in the middle of damage control by the ‘big’ Bigfoot. That’s what this is.”

Supposedly, they did have a "for entertainment purposes only" notice on their website. I think they started this hoax on a lark, hoping to make a little money, when Whitton was on medical leave because of the bullet hole in his hand. It got out of hand, as they hoped to get rich on the wave of publicity (and if they were sophisticated enough, they could have gotten quite a bit from their website - I don't know if they were, though). Then Biscardi came in, played them, and turned on them.