Uh... DUH!

[mugaliens]

You got a beef? Post it here!

Someone within your "sphere of influence" not making the grade? Tell me about it.

Yes, here's where you can call an x for what it is. Board rules still apply, but...

...my hope is that by approaching this in the right spirit, namely, that of simply identifying beefs and proposing resolutions, we'll be meeting/exceeding the marching orders of this/these forums.

AND, but, please post the beef without prejudice. This isn't an "I said, she said" or even a "he said, me said" forum. It's about what's right and wrong with this world. Case in point? Coming up...

[KaiYeves]

My AP History teacher is making me write seven paragraphs about economics that's due the second week in August. Doesn't she get that I'M ON VACATION?

[cjl]

That's probably my favorite single thing about college so far. Massive assignments? Yes. Late nights? Yes. Hard tests? Yes. However, when you're on break, you are on break. No work to do at all, aside from anything voluntary.

[sarongsong]

...due the second week in August...Sounds like a "Weather Report" (http://www.last.fm/music/Weather+Report/_/Second+Sunday+in+August) fan! http://www.bautforum.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Whirlpool]

I got a beef !

It's beefy!

Beefy Good!

[ginnie]

...gee, I don't want write another long post.

I hate that bread is in the far right corner of my grocery store, and milk is in the far left corner.

I hate that I get soliciting calls from my internet/TV provider when I'm already a customer...

I hate it that after I'm done doing the dishes, one of my kids brings me a dirty plate or glass that has been in their room for weeks...

I hate it that my cats feel no guilt when scratching my couch. Indeed, they seem to do it just to p*ss me off.

[Gemini]

My AP History teacher is making me write seven paragraphs about economics that's due the second week in August. Doesn't she get that I'M ON VACATION?

I hate summer homework with a passsion, so much so that I put an extra "s" in passion.

Last year I had to do 4 chapters of vocab words for AP History (about 180 word+ definitions). I was rushing to finish it while watching the STS-118 launch.
AP Chem drove me to the brink of insanity (I have the scars to prove it!). Fortunately I passed both w/ flying colors ;) . This summer I have to the read "The Kite Runner" for Dual enrollment english.

I also have to sell ads for the school's newspaper, not fun. Last year, one of the editors was a 911 conspiracy theorist. In addition, the trombone section leader's #2 (I'm in it. The proper word to describe the main section leader isn't allowed on this board) was an Apollo HB (Kind of a fence sitter though).

[Kaptain K]

I hate that bread is in the far right corner of my grocery store, and milk is in the far left corner.
You're really gonna hate it when you find out that it's intentional! :evil: Stores separate "most bought" items by as much as they can in hopes that in getting from one to the other, you might pick up something that wasn't on your list (impulse buying).

Another one that bothers me is that just when I figure out where everything I want is, they rearrange the store! Again in the hope that while trying to find what I want, I might pick up a few extra items. The last time my local store pulled this one, I actually went to the manager and explained that while I understood the "business school" reasoning, all it does to/for me is make me angry and I'll walk out without the items I was looking for rather than waste my time.

A related item; I go to a fast food joint and ask for a hamburger. Inevitably, I hear "do you want cheese on that?" "I said I want a hamburger! If I wanted a burger with cheese on it, I would have said cheeseburger!" And yes, I've been known to cancel the order and walk out!

[davidlpf]

My beef is my job. But I think I see the writing on the wall, me and myjob my go the same as couple of bauters and their jobs.

[mike alexander]

Let's back up a minute. It's the third week of July. Seven paragraphs are due the second week of August. The problem is....?

[cjl]

Let's back up a minute. It's the third week of July. Seven paragraphs are due the second week of August. The problem is....?
The problem is that it is a vacation. As in break. You shouldn't have work to do - the class hasn't even started yet (something that my AP teachers in high school seemed to not understand...).

[Gemini]

The problem is that it is a vacation. As in break. You shouldn't have work to do - the class hasn't even started yet (something that my AP teachers in high school seemed to not understand...).

My feelings exactly.

[MAPNUT]

The problem is that it is a vacation. As in break. You shouldn't have work to do - the class hasn't even started yet (something that my AP teachers in high school seemed to not understand...).

OK, my beef is with young people who have trouble accepting that they're expected to work nonstop for the next 40 years! I haven't had a break that lasted from the third week of July 'til the second week of August since 1966! Who do you think is growing your food, generating your electricity, making your clothes, (not to mention cooking your food, paying your electric bill, and laundering your clothes), and when do they get a break?

Or have you maybe heard that before? Just kidding, I raised 3 kids and I know they worked a lot harder in high school than I had to. It is tough to accept that, after being a child with all that freedom, you have to buckle down and work sooner than you're ready to.

On the other hand, adults are always telling young people, "Follow your dream" or "Try to find a way to make a living doing what you love." In reality, 90% of people wind up doing what needs to be done even though it's no fun at all. They should get more credit, not be accused of selling out.

[mugaliens]

...gee, I don't want write another long post.

I hate that bread is in the far right corner of my grocery store, and milk is in the far left corner.

That's curious, 80% of all people veer right when they enter a grocery store, so the grocers leave the fragile (eggs, bread) and frozen stuff for last (far left).

I hate that I get soliciting calls from my internet/TV provider when I'm already a customer...

"I am already your customer - would you like me to stop being your customer?"

"Well, uh, no."

"Then stop calling." <click>

I hate it that after I'm done doing the dishes, one of my kids brings me a dirty plate or glass that has been in their room for weeks...

I hate it that my cats feel no guilt when scratching my couch. Indeed, they seem to do it just to p*ss me off.

LOL! Do your cats look at you when they do it like mine did?

My uncle, a veterinarian, trained his cat to stop clawing the couch by putting a scratching post inside a large dog cage. Whenever the cat would scratch the couch, he'd immediately put it into the cage and would leave it there until it stopped meowing and had used the scratching post at least once.

He said it took about a week, after which he brought the scratching post out of the cage.

[cjl]

OK, my beef is with young people who have trouble accepting that they're expected to work nonstop for the next 40 years! I haven't had a break that lasted from the third week of July 'til the second week of August since 1966! Who do you think is growing your food, generating your electricity, making your clothes, (not to mention cooking your food, paying your electric bill, and laundering your clothes), and when do they get a break?

I have no problem working year round. I have a summer job. I work 40 hour weeks right now. What would really suck, and what I contended with for the past several years of high school, was when you have a summer job AND homework for school. I'll take 40 hour weeks with no homework over that any day.


Or have you maybe heard that before? Just kidding, I raised 3 kids and I know they worked a lot harder in high school than I had to. It is tough to accept that, after being a child with all that freedom, you have to buckle down and work sooner than you're ready to.

On the other hand, adults are always telling young people, "Follow your dream" or "Try to find a way to make a living doing what you love." In reality, 90% of people wind up doing what needs to be done even though it's no fun at all. They should get more credit, not be accused of selling out.
On this part I'm in full agreement with you though :)

[Jay200MPH]

Not having a clothes dryer SUCKS DONKEY BOTTOM. It's been seven months since I used a fluffy hot towel or wore a pair of socks that actually stayed up and didn't bunch down into the bottom of my boot over the course of the day. Everything I own has permanent hang-dry wrinkles. I hate it.

- J

[ginnie]

Not having a clothes dryer SUCKS DONKEY BOTTOM. It's been seven months since I used a fluffy hot towel or wore a pair of socks that actually stayed up and didn't bunch down into the bottom of my boot over the course of the day. Everything I own has permanent hang-dry wrinkles. I hate it.

- J

Yes, but clothes dried outside in the winter are the freshest smelling clothes you'll ever wear.

[cjl]

They dry outside in the winter? I thought they froze...

[Jay200MPH]

Here they'd just get more wet. Nice idea but wouldn't work in practice.

Ooh, I've got another one. Could someone tell the numbnuts who design software that using the "close" button to minimize applications is BAD DESIGN? Seriously, your stupid program is NOT the most important thing on my computer! Virus scanners, torrent readers, MP3 players, I don't care what it is - when I say "close", I want it GONE. That's what the dang button is there for! Also, not every app I install needs to load automatically at bootup!

I'm looking at you, AVG, Amarok, μTorrent, Firefox, freaking Acrobat Reader, Roxio CD Creator and OpenOffice!

- J

[cjl]

Firefox?

When I hit close, firefox goes away. It isn't in the background, it isn't still active. It is gone. Completely.

[Jay200MPH]

Ya, but by default it "preloads" itself at bootup and sits in memory while you're not using it. Unacceptable!

- J

[cjl]

Not true. I have it on default settings, and it does no such thing.

[ginnie]

They dry outside in the winter? I thought they froze...
My mom always dried the clothes outside in the winter. Of course, they aren't completely dry. But enough so that a bit of warm air will finish the job. But its been over forty years since I've seen it happen. And yes, they do freeze - you can stand pants up on their own when you bring them in.

[KaiYeves]

Oh, and my textbook hardly mentions space at all! Sure, they can get away with that NOW, but when people are living on other planets...

And now for something completely different.

To whoever made the "Mission to Mars" ride that's at the Space and Rocket Center in Alabama-
Yes, I know that your ride features a hidden Martian civilization that has theme parks and writes using the Roman alphabet, but could you PLEASE understand that "the Pathfinder rover" had a name? It was called Sojourner! And the lander isn't Pathfinder anymore, either, but the Carl Sagan Memorial Station and I'd really like if you paid more attention to these things.

[tdvance]

It doesn't do that by default--you have to actually select that to get it to happen. Perhaps you turned it on accidentally trying to select an adjacent preference?

[Jay200MPH]

It doesn't do that by default--you have to actually select that to get it to happen. Perhaps you turned it on accidentally trying to select an adjacent preference?

Okay, I've exhonerated Firefox. It turns out I was actually thinking of Acrobat Reader! So it's thrice damned now.

Incedently I just did one last virus scan of my computer (took two hours - found nothing) and then uninstalled AVG, Acrobat Reader, Netbeans (a Java IDE that I've never even used), kicked Roxio out of the start-at-boot list (had to go digging to find where it did this. Software designers - don't hide stuff like this for crying out loud! What were you thinking?) and did some other cleanup on my hard disk. The thing runs about five times faster now.

I recon 90% of the fault was AVG and Acrobat. What's the point of having a virus scanner installed if it slows down the computer more than any assortment of virii possibly could? Who writes this crap?

- J

[ginnie]

Okay, I've exhonerated Firefox. It turns out I was actually thinking of Acrobat Reader! So it's thrice damned now.

Incedently I just did one last virus scan of my computer (took two hours - found nothing) and then uninstalled AVG, Acrobat Reader, Netbeans (a Java IDE that I've never even used), kicked Roxio out of the start-at-boot list (had to go digging to find where it did this. Software designers - don't hide stuff like this for crying out loud! What were you thinking?) and did some other cleanup on my hard disk. The thing runs about five times faster now.

I recon 90% of the fault was AVG and Acrobat. What's the point of having a virus scanner installed if it slows down the computer more than any assortment of virii possibly could? Who writes this crap?

- J

Unless you play games on your computer, switch to Linux.

[Neverfly]

I recon 90% of the fault was AVG and Acrobat. What's the point of having a virus scanner installed if it slows down the computer more than any assortment of virii possibly could? Who writes this crap?

- J

Truer words...

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

Unless you play games on your computer, switch to Linux.

For the servers.

But on this PC and my other PC, needs to be windows for all the work related stuff.
My Sons PC uses Kubuntu.

[cjl]

Okay, I've exhonerated Firefox. It turns out I was actually thinking of Acrobat Reader! So it's thrice damned now.

Incedently I just did one last virus scan of my computer (took two hours - found nothing) and then uninstalled AVG, Acrobat Reader, Netbeans (a Java IDE that I've never even used), kicked Roxio out of the start-at-boot list (had to go digging to find where it did this. Software designers - don't hide stuff like this for crying out loud! What were you thinking?) and did some other cleanup on my hard disk. The thing runs about five times faster now.

I recon 90% of the fault was AVG and Acrobat. What's the point of having a virus scanner installed if it slows down the computer more than any assortment of virii possibly could? Who writes this crap?

- J

I hate acrobat with a passion - you won't find it anywhere near my computers. Try Foxit reader.

[Jay200MPH]

Unless you play games on your computer, switch to Linux.

I use Linux on my work computer (notice the little steely-eyed glower at Amarok in my previous post.) I just have too much Windows-specific software on my own laptop to switch it over at the moment. I've thought of setting it up to dual-boot but that just seems like a waste because I'll I'd use the Linux half for is browsing the internet. I've just got to work with good old Windows for the forseeable future. Incidently I still use Windows 2000 and refuse to install anything newer.

- J

[ginnie]

I hate acrobat with a passion - you won't find it anywhere near my computers. Try Foxit reader.
I use KPDF. Three times as faster opening in Linux as Acrobat does in my Windows Vista partition. To be fair, I'm running on only 512 MB of ram. Quite enough for the latest Ubuntu Linux distribution.
There's an interesting LInux distro - Puppy Linux that runs entirely in RAM (needs at least 128 mb). The whole operating system is under 80 mb. Really fast...and yes, it is a graphical desktop!

[cjl]

Well, Foxit reader is at least three times faster in my windows vista machine than Acrobat on the same windows vista machine, so I'd blame Acrobat for that more than Vista.

[sarongsong]

You got a beef? Post it here!...Incomprehensible "cute" BAUT thread titles. :(

[Kaptain K]

Incomprehensible "cute" BAUT thread titles. :(

Better than incomprehensibly "vague" BAUT thread titles!

[sarongsong]

You're getting warm... :doh:

[mugaliens]

Incomprehensible "cute" BAUT thread titles. :(

I thought I was pretty clear...

[cjl]

So did I, FWIW.

[KaiYeves]

I wish I was a better artist. I tried to draw an Ares V this morning and it looked horrible. But I did draw a pretty sweet Ares I yesterday.

[sarongsong]

I thought I was pretty clear...Thread Title:
You got a beef? Post it here! vs.Uh... DUH!No contest. :)

[mugaliens]

I wish I was a better artist. I tried to draw an Ares V this morning and it looked horrible. But I did draw a pretty sweet Ares I yesterday.

I tried my hand at artistry this morning. I drew a beautiful set of grapes, some trees, and an earth embankment.

Well, getting back to...

[Noclevername]

A related item; I go to a fast food joint and ask for a hamburger. Inevitably, I hear "do you want cheese on that?" "I said I want a hamburger! If I wanted a burger with cheese on it, I would have said cheeseburger!" And yes, I've been known to cancel the order and walk out!

Go easy on the poor counter jockeys, Kaptain. Based on my own experience, it's a requirement of the job-- they get penalized if a manager* hears them skip that question (or whatever "would you like..." that particular franchise is pushing). And the managers are likewise just following their orders. Blame the suits who never set foot in the place, not the wage slaves who are just following store policy.

*Originally written as "manger". So, Jesus' old baby bed shows up and tells the employees to ask if they want cheese.

[mugaliens]

Go easy on the poor counter jockeys, Kaptain. Based on my own experience, it's a requirement of the job-- they get penalized if a manager* hears them skip that question (or whatever "would you like..." that particular franchise is pushing). And the managers are likewise just following their orders. Blame the suits who never set foot in the place, not the wage slaves who are just following store policy.

*Originally written as "manger". So, Jesus' old baby bed shows up and tells the employees to ask if they want cheese.

I dunno...

I like to order the #2 meal on the menu, and I always get, "would you like to go large on that?"

"No."

"Would you like an apple pie with that?

"NO."

"Will that be all?"

"YES!!!"

Instead of getting heated, one day I figured out how to preempt them. "I'll take a #2, regular size, diet coke, nothing else."

That way, when they begin asking questions, I can get my self-righteous ego fix in by responding to additional questions with, "I believe I stated that clearly when I ordered..."

[LaurelHS]

Speaking of not shooting the messenger, it annoys me when I'm doing volunteer work at the Ten Thousand Villages store and a customer complains to me because they think something is overpriced. I don't decide the price of the items, people. I have nothing to do with this. Another strange thing is when people pick something up that has a very visible price tag on it and then hand it to me and ask how much it costs. Why don't they look at the price tag? I like the volunteer work, but I don't understand some people.

[ginnie]

Speaking of not shooting the messenger, it annoys me when I'm doing volunteer work at the Ten Thousand Villages store and a customer complains to me because they think something is overpriced. I don't decide the price of the items, people. .
That customer should go to Walmart instead.
Isn't the whole point of Ten Thousand Villages to have an outlet for craftsmen/women in third world countries to sell their wares at a fair and reasonable profit?
It's a great place to find interesting goods - stuff you won't find anywhere else.

[LaurelHS]

Well, that's what we tell customers when they complain about the prices; the items are handmade so the artisans have spent a lot of time working on them, and they are earning a fair wage for their work. The customers don't always listen, of course, but that's what we tell them.

[mugaliens]

...the items are handmade so the artisans have spent a lot of time working on them, and they are earning a fair wage for their work.

Ok, this wins my first "Uh, DUH!" award. I say "this" as it's not the messenger, but the message which won the award, namely the idea that the artisans "are earning a fair wage for their work."

The artisans don't earn a fair wage. The middlemen do. The artists earn a wage, to be sure, and probably better than they're used to earning, but it doesn't compare to the raking done between the artisan and the consumer.

[LaurelHS]

It's a non-profit organization, so there isn't as much of a "middlemen" issue as there could be.

[ginnie]

Ok, this wins my first "Uh, DUH!" award. I say "this" as it's not the messenger, but the message which won the award, namely the idea that the artisans "are earning a fair wage for their work."

The artisans don't earn a fair wage. The middlemen do. The artists earn a wage, to be sure, and probably better than they're used to earning, but it doesn't compare to the raking done between the artisan and the consumer.

Ten Thousand Villages is run by the Mennonite Central Committee.
They do lots of volunteer and charitable work throughout the world - believe me, they are not making profit on this. My father-in-law (now deceased) , who was a Mennonite Bishop for many years was a member of MCC. They do good work.
http://www.tenthousandvillages.ca/
http://www.tenthousandvillages.ca/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=art_home&template=fullpage-en&type=store
http://grebel.uwaterloo.ca/mao/archivesfonds/XV.htm
Please give the award to someone/something more deserving.. :)

[LaurelHS]

I'm sorry, I really wasn't trying to start an argument or anything. I was just pointing out that it's silly to blame the prices of things in stores on employees (volunteer or otherwise) who have absolutely no say in what the prices are.

[Veeger]

I hate it when I get an email from AT&T (as just a few hours ago) with the subject line "What's Free This Week?" and when you open it you find out.

Nothing. Everything has a little "Buy" button next to it.

:sigh:

[drainbread]

High level programming, I hate bloat, everything you make in a bloated language can be made to run faster and smaller in assembly...

The only reason to ever write something in Java is for portability, not because any idiot with 3 fingers can code with it.

Big software should always be written in the most efficient code(looking at you Microsoft... and many others).

[ginnie]

I'm sorry, I really wasn't trying to start an argument or anything. I was just pointing out that it's silly to blame the prices of things in stores on employees (volunteer or otherwise) who have absolutely no say in what the prices are.

Nobody is arguing, LarelHS. I just thought it was important that mugaliens find out what MCC and Ten Thousand Villages are about. :)
No harm done.

[Grashtel]

High level programming, I hate bloat, everything you make in a bloated language can be made to run faster and smaller in assembly...

The only reason to ever write something in Java is for portability, not because any idiot with 3 fingers can code with it.

Big software should always be written in the most efficient code(looking at you Microsoft... and many others).
It very much depends on how you work out the efficency. With the sort of speed, processing power, and storage capacity that modern machines have its often more efficient to write something slower and bigger than it could be (but still fast enough to do the job and taking an insignificant amount of storage) that can be written quickly and easily rather than something super fast and tiny that is hard and time consuming to write.

[Veeger]

It very much depends on how you work out the efficency. With the sort of speed, processing power, and storage capacity that modern machines have its often more efficient to write something slower and bigger than it could be (but still fast enough to do the job and taking an insignificant amount of storage) that can be written quickly and easily rather than something super fast and tiny that is hard and time consuming to write.

Yeah, I love super efficient, compact code that runs blazingly fast as much as anyone. Many game engines still squeeze cycles out of the CPU. But the stark reality for most software companies is "how can I finish this project in the least number of man-hours" and all their optimization and efficiency efforts are geared to reducing development cost, not cool code.

The zen of programming is replaced by the zen of business cost reduction.

[cjl]

It very much depends on how you work out the efficency. With the sort of speed, processing power, and storage capacity that modern machines have its often more efficient to write something slower and bigger than it could be (but still fast enough to do the job and taking an insignificant amount of storage) that can be written quickly and easily rather than something super fast and tiny that is hard and time consuming to write.
Of course, that sort of thinking is exactly what drives the need for ever faster machines.

[mugaliens]

High level programming, I hate bloat, everything you make in a bloated language can be made to run faster and smaller in assembly...

You mean, "assembler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_language#Assembler)?"

The only reason to ever write something in Java is for portability, not because any idiot with 3 fingers can code with it.

Big software should always be written in the most efficient code(looking at you Microsoft... and many others).[/QUOTE]

Not being a programmer...

I've written a whopping two programs in assembler, both user-interactive routines designed to grab a couple of pieces of data and crunch them, spitting out some numbers.

Wow. That was hard. What takes me 5 minutes in Excel took me several hours to get right in Assembler.

Still, Steve Gibson swears by it, and most (if not all) of the programs he has on his website are written in assembler.

WAY smaller that B-Code (bloated code). Must faster, too.

[tdvance]

I hate it when I get an email from AT&T (as just a few hours ago) with the subject line "What's Free This Week?" and when you open it you find out.

Nothing. Everything has a little "Buy" button next to it.

:sigh:


Even worse--Microsoft, it seems, would sell you your own hat!

See, I used Sonar to play around with writing a (terrible) song, exported it to .wav, and tried it out in Windows Media Player. The song played, but there was a "buy" button right next to the title....

[tdvance]

High level programming, I hate bloat, everything you make in a bloated language can be made to run faster and smaller in assembly...

The only reason to ever write something in Java is for portability, not because any idiot with 3 fingers can code with it.

Big software should always be written in the most efficient code(looking at you Microsoft... and many others).


There's a place for everything though--if you are developing algorithms to solve difficult problems with no currently known solution, it's often good to start ultra-high-level like Mathematica or Lisp, and only when you get to production code (usually after years of research) start by writing the inner loops in (assembly you say? how about....) microcode on a chip designed just for the problem, and more critical support code in C on a supercomputer connected to it, and possibly even use higher level languages like perl for the file maintenance, user interface, etc.

[tdvance]

You mean, "assembler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_language#Assembler)?"



to be technical--the assembler is the program that converts assembly to the bits that the computer actually works with. "assembly" is the name of the language.

[Veeger]

See, I used Sonar to play around with writing a (terrible) song, exported it to .wav, and tried it out in Windows Media Player. The song played, but there was a "buy" button right next to the title....

:lol:
Talk about opportunistic! Amazing!
(makes ya wonder though. Did they get a copy through some media player backdoor?)

[mugaliens]

Ah - thanks!