Texas Woman fights deflation: 38KKK

[publius]

She's doing her part to stop deflation, all right:

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/around_town/the_scene/Breast-Implants-Set-World-Record-.html

Don't worry, everything is covered in the photo. That's over a gallon of silcone in those things. That's just hideous -- and why she doesn't see that, I don't know.


-Richard

[Whirlpool]

Still, Hershey wanted more! And she was determined to get it. When her boyfriend begged her to stop, she broke up with him (note to men: You have to support our dreams, no matter how deluded and life-threatening silly they might seem!).

I am a woman , and I cannot believe that she is not contented with 34FFF size. That's already too much!
:doh:

[LaurelHS]

Isn't this going to cause serious back pain for her?

[slang]

LaurelHS, probably, yes. Someone close to me had that exact problem and for that reason had to have reduction surgery. Talking "d's" here, not even k's. Not trying to make light of the gravity of the situation. ;)

[korjik]

So much wrong, so not wanting to get banned :)

Some people will do anything for their 15 min of fame

[Josh]

Still, Hershey wanted more! And she was determined to get it. When her boyfriend begged her to stop, she broke up with him (note to men: You have to support our dreams, no matter how deluded and life-threatening silly they might seem!).
It's ironic that he couldn't provide enough support ....

[Whirlpool]

LOL , Josh.

The Boyfriend cares ....

it's just too much he won't have the strength to support her ...


;)

[Gillianren]

Isn't this going to cause serious back pain for her?

My back aches in sympathy, yes.

[Neverfly]

My back aches in sympathy, yes.

I'm a man and MY back aches in sympathy.

[megrfl]

I hate to burst her bubbles, but that isn't healthy; mentally or physically.

[Ronald Brak]

And she's cheating. I knew an East German woman who had larger breasts than that without any artificial enbiggerment. She should be the record holder. Mind you, hers were more spread out.

[Neverfly]

And she's cheating. I knew an East German woman who had larger breasts than that without any artificial enbiggerment. She should be the record holder. Mind you, hers were more spread out.

more wh...a...?
Are you sure it wasn't her belly?

[Ronald Brak]

Yes, I'm pretty sure. It was a result of the gravity of the situation.

[timb]

Could this be the way to sell the merits of lunar colonization to women?

[davidlpf]

This seems like a very heavy subject.

[Neverfly]

Yes, I'm pretty sure. It was a result of the gravity of the situation.

Just checking. I wasn't trying to downplay your post, but the weight of your claim left me groping for alternatives.
This seems like a very heavy subject.

Careful, that's a slippery slope.

Hey BigDon, think that girl could Tactically target a navy gun? I'm just scoping out your opinion.

[Josh]

I guess when it comes down to it, it's her choice ... and I think we're all just making mountains out of mole hills.

[Neverfly]

I guess when it comes down to it, it's her choice ... and I think we're all just making mountains out of mole hills.

No. SHE made mountains out of mole hills.

[Josh]

Nev,

With all due respect ... duh. :p

[korjik]

I wonder if she has to buy two seats when she flies.

[Neverfly]

I wonder if she has to buy two seats when she flies.
Thought they could fly themselves...?
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booby)

[publius]

Well, two seats or not, I want to be next to her on any US Airways flights..... Well, heck fire, I just checked -- the density of silicone varies from slightly less to more than water. So she'd probably sink faster than a sink cushion anway. Shoot. She's not good for anything.


-Richard

[Neverfly]

Nev,

With all due respect ... duh. :p

Yes, sorry.. I guess I was umm... pointing out the obvious... there:whistle:
But you're right. It, two, is her choice.
We can still comment on how she's doubled her troubles with a pair of bad choices.

[mfumbesi]

The puns are hurting me eyes..

[Francisco]

Too much of a good thing.

[Neverfly]

It actually piques my curiosity about what the long term consequences are for such a drastic physical change.

Now, we all can figure that her back will be strained like a fishing pole, but I gotta figure that there is a long list of unwanted side effects for such a thing.
Suppose she has children someday, etc...

It's not even an admirable fifteen minutes.

I'm reminded of Family Guy where Peter gets drastic cosmetic surgery. At first it was a blast, but it didn't take long before the changes were so severe that he wanted the surgery undone. Now, that was just a cartoon and they could "undo" liposuction (somehow:doh:) etc. And she can have her surgery undone as well with a reduction of sorts.
But I wonder about all those people that get such cosmetic surgery that is beyond the point of no return.

I may not look like much. I don't have Brad Pitts physique. But I wouldn't go under a knife for it either.

[mfumbesi]

I may not look like much. I don't have Brad Pitts physique. But I wouldn't go under a knife for it either.
Modesty doesn't look good on you.
I mean you are a stud (of sorts, under the right lighting conditions).

[tnjrp]

This seems like a very heavy subject.Top heavy, even.

[timb]

It's ironic that he couldn't provide enough support ....

maybe he didn't want to splash out on them.

[davidlpf]

J

Careful, that's a slippery slope.



This whole thread is getting a bit deriative.

[closetgeek]

It actually piques my curiosity about what the long term consequences are for such a drastic physical change.


Stretch marks, for one. There is no way skin can handle that. Beside, I bet that would look great when she's 70.

Suppose she has children someday, etc...

It's not even an admirable fifteen minutes.

I think it's a safe bet that if she is willing to go this far for her 15 minutes, maybe it's best that she doesn't reproduce. All that aside, I don't really see much wrong with going under the knife. I don't want to be a hypocrite but I would if I had the money. I did consider trying to use insurance for a reduction, years ago because I didn't appreciate the attention that having oversized glands brought, as this woman seems to. Losing 50lbs did the trick for me but the end results weren't all they cracked up to be. Having a chubby face reduced the intrucive appearance of my nose (which I lovingly call Princess Vespa, pre-op); being heavy most of my life, having three kids, then losing all that weight, did a number on my belly, which now looks like a traincrash; worst of off, IMHO, is going from Chesty Laru to the president of the itty bitty committee is proof positive of the effects of gravity on the human body. But, I compare that more to skin grafting to hide scars, rather than what this woman is doing. :whistle:

[Buttercup]

It's amazing, the number of people who dread surgery for health-conserving/life-saving reasons...

...but if it's for the sake of vanity they're stampeding each other for the surgical suite. :rolleyes:

[Buttercup]

Just now downloaded the link/photo. If it were a close-up you'd think you were being mooned. Yeah...another part of the anatomy.

A pity she didn't give the $$$ needed for that to a charity to help children or the homeless. We're all worm food ultimately, but I guess that fact escapes some people. :rolleyes:

[Doodler]

God help her if she ever has a problem with them. Not only is the process of removing them going to be rather painful, but she's going to have to flip what's left over her shoulder twice to keep from tripping on them...

[Swift]

My only thought is "Moooooo"

[flynjack1]

This goes right along with body piercing, tattooing, body disfigurement stuff. Taken to excess to make an impression or satisfy some personal need to stand out in a crowd. I think she has succeeded in standing out at least. I don't get it, but hey I don't have to live with it.

[BetaDust]

Nothing to see here, no BIG deal, moving along...

[Robinson]

I wonder what the results would be, if it was as easy for men to change their size.

[Josh]

How would she sleep? That much silicone weighing on your chest means she'd have a hard time sleeping on her back. I don't see how she coud sleep on her stomach and on (I have on good authority from a friend) with them that big she'd have problems sleeping on her side even.

[publius]

I wonder what the results would be, if it was as easy for men to change their size.


Easy. Look at how crazy they went over Viagra and knock-offs. They're bribing Pakistani tribal warlords off with the stuff. And look at all the spam for "male enhancement pills" of all manner of dubious stripe. Heck, they're running ads on various cable stations (usually late night) hawking pills "scientifically proven" to increase, uh, male size.

If they ever come up with something that really works, it will make Viagra sales look flaccid by comparison.

-Richard

[Robinson]

I was wondering what the news story would read like. Especially with world records on the line.

[timb]

How would she sleep? That much silicone weighing on your chest means she'd have a hard time sleeping on her back. I don't see how she coud sleep on her stomach and on (I have on good authority from a friend) with them that big she'd have problems sleeping on her side even.

They should have filled those bags with helium, not silicone! That way she would have no problems with sagging and she'd even be lighter on her feet than she was before the operation. :)

[Robinson]

Oh sure. Ever feel a helium balloon?

[Paracelsus]

I am a woman , and I cannot believe that she is not contented with 34FFF size. That's already too much!
:doh:

They are going directly south in a few years. She will be KKKsorry.

Besides which, even if they stay as they are, they are so obviously fake-looking as to turn off any self-respecting man who looks at her.

Gross.

[Swift]

Besides which, even if they stay as they are, they are so obviously fake-looking as to turn off any self-respecting man who looks at her.

Lucky for her, I'm sure there is a sufficient supply of non-self-respecting men. ;)

[publius]

Lucky for her, I'm sure there is a sufficient supply of non-self-respecting men. ;)

I think that's too much for even the non-self-respecting crowd. The only thing those are good for is a very narrow niche market of fetish films out there, if even that.

Me, while I certainly like 'em, I've never gone hog wild over that portion of the anatomy, and I don't like em big or fake. Legs and that rounded, pert little thing that sits on top is what gets me going. I can go wild over that.... :lol:


-Richard

[Josh]

I think now is the right time to insert the "be careful" message in to this thread. :)

[Donnie B.]

Oh sure. Ever feel a helium balloon?
Not in that way.

[publius]

I think now is the right time to insert the "be careful" message in to this thread. :)

Ooops. Sorry -- I lost too much self-respect for a second there. Not that I have much, but I do try to be on good behavior in family fora.


-Richard

[publius]

I was wondering what sort of doc would indulge her, and I think this photo of her posing with him explains it:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=210418091&albumID=1538694&imageID=21949856

Also she has a website up (which I won't link to -- you can find it), which explains how she's expecting to get return on her inflated assets, I think.

Doesn't that suit look like something Gaius Baltar from BSG would wear?


-Richard

[Josh]

That's not her doctor. That dude is a style guru.

[publius]

No, he's a genuine plastic surgeon, Dr. Robert Rey. He has a website,

http://www.drrobertrey.com/dr-90210.htm

He has a reality TV show where he goes by the name Dr. 90210, apparently.

Why does he still have a license?


-Richard

[Josh]

So he is. I mixed him up with Timm Gunn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Gunn) who's a style guru.

My housemate is in the fashion business and she watches all these things. (I SWEAR!! ):whistle:

[NosePicker]

Sadly, those inflated assets are going to pay big dividends if she is in the, um, adult entertainment industry.

Pretty faces are a dime a dozen, and as the model/actress ages, her 'box office' draw fades. If a lady hasn't an education, she can be in dire straits. Unlike regular acting where some good actresses can keep the income up despite age, the adult entertainment industry is ruthless in it's ageism. Extreme cosmetic surgery is one way for the aging model/actress to keep up the high returns for her pictures/films.

:(

[Whirlpool]

Well, that's their job. They NEED to STAY "Beautiful" in front of the camera , if not , they will be out of work .

[Neverfly]

Yes, this is why I'm a plumber, now.

[Josh]

Yes, this is why I'm a plumber, now.

NOW???? But earlier?

I'm the plumber. I've come to fix the leak.

I've come to clean the pool.

...

[Robinson]

I'm a handyman. Still.

[Neverfly]

NOW???? But earlier?

I'm the plumber. I've come to fix the leak.

I used to be beautiful. 'Til old age ravaged me.
I've come to clean the pool.
...

Ah yes.. The romantic Pool Cleaner...
http://www.bundyology.com/futurama.jpg

[publius]

I used to be beautiful. 'Til old age ravaged me.



It's the opposite with me. I've improved with age. Well, my face has. The body is another story, but that can be covered up with some decent tailoring, of course.

Yessir, a buddy of mine, about 20 years older, who is the son of neighbor loves to tell the story of my birth. He was in the service, stationed in Europe somewhere back on the faithful day in '67 and he received a call/cable from his parents telling him my parents had just had the ugliest baby they'd ever laid eyes on. He just loves to tell that story.


-Richard

[Neverfly]

It's the opposite with me. I've improved with age. Well, my face has. The body is another story, but that can be covered up with some decent tailoring, of course.

Yessir, a buddy of mine, about 20 years older, who is the son of neighbor loves to tell the story of my birth. He was in the service, stationed in Europe somewhere back on the faithful day in '67 and he received a call/cable from his parents telling him my parents had just had the ugliest baby they'd ever laid eyes on. He just loves to tell that story.


-Richard

A lot of women say that about Burt Reynolds and Sean Connery.

I, too, was an ugly baby, until I was about 2 years old and my facial features were radically improved with spontaneous cosmetic surgery.
I was playing out in the front yard when a passing gardener spied me.
"Mad Dog! Mad Dog!," he yelled, and clubbed me in the snout with a shovel.

[tnjrp]

You aren't that ugly if your parents don't call an exorcist when you drop by on them...

Anyway. I was thinking about this issue (just a little, I'm in no way obssessed with oversized breast, no mam, not one bit) and got wondering about the exact measurements of Mrs. Hersey's new "babies". I mean, what does the KKK stand for, except for a certain organization not related to brassiere cup sizes?

Is it supposed to be the same M/G (or J for you UK peeps), only "bigger sounding since it's three time as much, yeah?" or what? I couldn't tell just by looking at the pix (very briefly of course, did I mention I'm not obsessed with oversized breast?).

[Paracelsus]

I was wondering what sort of doc would indulge her, and I think this photo of her posing with him explains it:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=210418091&albumID=1538694&imageID=21949856

Also she has a website up (which I won't link to -- you can find it), which explains how she's expecting to get return on her inflated assets, I think.

Doesn't that suit look like something Gaius Baltar from BSG would wear?


-Richard

Isn't that the guy who is on that plastic surgery reality show on E!?

I've heard his medical credentials don't bear close examination. Yes, the suit definitely looks like a Baltar re-tread.

[Francisco]

So how do these things perform at altitude? Is there danger of explosion on airplanes?

[HenrikOlsen]

Mythbusters blew that myth away.

[publius]

You aren't that ugly if your parents don't call an exorcist when you drop by on them...

Anyway. I was thinking about this issue (just a little, I'm in no way obssessed with oversized breast, no mam, not one bit) and got wondering about the exact measurements of Mrs. Hersey's new "babies". I mean, what does the KKK stand for, except for a certain organization not related to brassiere cup sizes?

Is it supposed to be the same M/G (or J for you UK peeps), only "bigger sounding since it's three time as much, yeah?" or what? I couldn't tell just by looking at the pix (very briefly of course, did I mention I'm not obsessed with oversized breast?).

See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra_size

The table there doesn't go up to up to KKK in the US/Canada system, but you can extrapolate.


-Richard

[NEOWatcher]

Nobody finds it punny that she had this done in Brazil?

[mugaliens]

Imagine if she married a man named Sperry...

[closetgeek]

You know, my friend just made a good point. If the doctors didn't have the practice with all the barbie-dolls, they wouldn't be able to do the advanced procedures like this one:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/12/17/face.transplant/index.html

[Doodler]

Nobody finds it punny that she had this done in Brazil?

Not really. Brazillians are about as plastic surgery crazy as you can get, at least, this is the portrayal the media likes to promote.

Was never much of a fan of the cosmetically modified. Too many people don't enhance what they've got (or not), they take it to some kind of lunatic extreme and turn into something freakish.

[Buttercup]

Was never much of a fan of the cosmetically modified. Too many people don't enhance what they've got (or not), they take it to some kind of lunatic extreme and turn into something freakish.

Yeah. :( An advertisement for an upcoming reality TV show [which I'm not watching; hate "reality TV"] features a woman [who graced the cover of a hot-rod magazine] declaring "One thing I can't stomach is fake people!"

Sure. Like her lips and bosom [and probably hair extensions too]. :rolleyes:

[tnjrp]

The table there doesn't go up to up to KKK in the US/Canada system, but you can extrapolateI did check up Wiki, but it only got me confused since K is given as synonym of FF. Probably an European vs. American notation there (a standard notation can be recognized by the fact there's more than one notation, eh?), and anyway one supposes her rack must indeed be "off the chart" at 26" or thereabouts to count as recordbreaking.

[Ara Pacis]

Fake is as fake does. If they do it because they like it, then let them. Freakish extremes just make it more obvious that it's not real. More plausibly insulting, for those who claim to be insulted by such actions, would be a woman who keeps a secret of a B to C or C to D augmentation. I suppose it depends on the situation, such as finding out the person you like was formerly a member of the opposite sex.

I think Chris Rock did did a excellent take on this ten years ago, when talking about gender and lying. He went through a litany of visual lies: push-up bras, hair extensions, high-heels, and make-up.

[timb]

Fake is as fake does. If they do it because they like it, then let them. Freakish extremes just make it more obvious that it's not real. More plausibly insulting, for those who claim to be insulted by such actions, would be a woman who keeps a secret of a B to C or C to D augmentation. I suppose it depends on the situation, such as finding out the person you like was formerly a member of the opposite different sex.


How many sexes are there different from yours? :lol:

I think Chris Rock did did a excellent take on this ten years ago, when talking about gender and lying. He went through a litany of visual lies: push-up bras, hair extensions, high-heels, and make-up.

Now they have push up jeans and contacts to fake your eye color. Come to think of it, all these are vastly more used by the female of the species, which I guess is the point Mr. Rock made (I'm not familiar with him). On the same (off) topic, one summer day when I was at a loose end at my favorite cafe I decided to do a little social observation on the passing mall traffic. In every opposite sex pair that passed I would note whether the male or female was showing more skin. Out of 27 pairs the female was showing more in 24 cases. Of the three exceptions two were elderly and the third couple appeared to be Muslims. Some differences were subtle. Even in couples wearing matching outfits the female's trousers tended to be a tad shorter (relative to their leg length), their sleeves a little shorter and their neck lines lower.

[Whirlpool]

I Think that's the case now , Timb. Clothes- Reduction . :doh:

[Ara Pacis]

I Think that's the case now , Timb. Clothes- Reduction . :doh:

Or would that be "truth in advertising"? We could use some more transparency in human activities. :)

[Ara Pacis]

How many sexes are there different from yours? :lol:Oops, my bad. Only one, really, though there's some debate about it due to gender and Aneuploidy such as Klinefelter's Syndrome and similar issues.

[NEOWatcher]

Not really. Brazillians are about as plastic surgery crazy...
No; It's not the people, the government or it social point of view. I was thinking of the country's name pheonetically. ;)

[RalofTyr]

PT Barnum would be interested in her.

Getting plastic surgery is kind of...cheating.

[Robinson]

Like wearing makeup.

[Donnie B.]

PT Barnum would be interested in her.

Getting plastic surgery is kind of...cheating.
Oh... I thought you were referring to what is born every minute.

[Gillianren]

P. T. Barnum was a big fan of the sideshow full of freaks.

[LaurelHS]

Like wearing makeup.

A botched makeup application is a lot easier to fix than a botched plastic surgery procedure. :)

[Robinson]

I'm going to take your word on that. I'm a man. We don't do silicon or makeup.






















Well, unless you are an actor of course.

[closetgeek]

How many people here are truly natural? Some people take it a bit further than others but I doubt anyone here has never had a hair cut, shaved (barring our younger members), brushed their teeth, sprayed a scent on, used perfumey soaps or aftershaves, etc. Personally, I don't even remember what my natural hair color is because I like to change things up, aside from the fact that in the summer the sun bleaches my hair and I think I look plain silly with blond hair and jet back eyebrows. All the examples above are correctable, as opposed to plastic surgery but condemning one person for making changes to something they don't like after getting out of the shower and spending time adjusting your own natural appearance, I think, is being a bit of a hypocrite.

[NEOWatcher]

...All the examples above are correctable, as opposed to plastic surgery but condemning one person for making changes to something they don't like after getting out of the shower and spending time adjusting your own natural appearance, I think, is being a bit of a hypocrite.
Maybe they are setting the line at a different place than you (and you seem to set it at zero) but, I wouldn't say hypocrite.
Thats because the person doing the criticizing is not crossing the line of what they feel is acceptable.
When something as general as "appearance modification" is so widely done and accepted, how can we treat is as a "does" or "does not"?

[Ara Pacis]

Maybe they are setting the line at a different place than you (and you seem to set it at zero) but, I wouldn't say hypocrite.
Thats because the person doing the criticizing is not crossing the line of what they feel is acceptable.
When something as general as "appearance modification" is so widely done and accepted, how can we treat is as a "does" or "does not"?

Despite a debate over whether it's an example of hypocrisy, I find error in this: the person doing the criticizing is accusing the body-modifier of crossing the criticizer's line of their personal propriety.

[closetgeek]

Despite a debate over whether it's an example of hypocrisy, I find error in this: the person doing the criticizing is accusing the body-modifier of crossing the criticizer's line of their personal propriety.

Thanks Ara Pacis, that is exactly my point. How horribly disfigured do you have to be in order for plastic surgery is acceptable.

I just want to correct myself; I used the word condemned and in all honesty, no one has condemned this woman, they just stated their reasons why they disagree with what she is doing. So I am retracting that but still respectively disagreeing with the majority.

[NEOWatcher]

Despite a debate over whether it's an example of hypocrisy, I find error in this: the person doing the criticizing is accusing the body-modifier of crossing the criticizer's line of their personal propriety.
After re-reading it, I did word it kind of funny. And yes, I was only talking about the use of the word, not your interpretation of whether it is crossing the line or not.
We do disagree, I accept that. I tend to draw the lines a bit closer to social norms. But; If they want to do what's out of the norm, that's fine, but don't stop my right to comment about it.

[closetgeek]

After re-reading it, I did word it kind of funny. And yes, I was only talking about the use of the word, not your interpretation of whether it is crossing the line or not.
We do disagree, I accept that. I tend to draw the lines a bit closer to social norms. But; If they want to do what's out of the norm, that's fine, but don't stop my right to comment about it.


Good point! If you are going to make a drastic enhancement, and I think we can all agree that what she did, is drastic by anyone's standards, you are going to draw attention to yourself. People are going to form opinions based on what they see, and the surgical experiment may not like what every individual has to say about it.

[HenrikOlsen]

How many sexes are there different from yours? :lol:
I normally count 8, so 7 different from me.:D

[slang]

The thread currently right above this one is "probably a touchy subject". It made me giggle.

[timb]

How many people here are truly natural? Some people take it a bit further than others but I doubt anyone here has never had a hair cut, shaved (barring our younger members), brushed their teeth, sprayed a scent on, used perfumey soaps or aftershaves, etc. Personally, I don't even remember what my natural hair color is because I like to change things up, aside from the fact that in the summer the sun bleaches my hair and I think I look plain silly with blond hair and jet back eyebrows. All the examples above are correctable, as opposed to plastic surgery but condemning one person for making changes to something they don't like after getting out of the shower and spending time adjusting your own natural appearance, I think, is being a bit of a hypocrite.

Everyone's entitled to express their own tastes, and most people seem to think Sheyla's implants are distasteful, and probably evidence of mental dysfunction. Part of the reason think that way about her implants but not about shaving, washing and haircuts is that shaving, washing and haircuts are all things we do to remain within the normal range of human variation within our society. In modern US society few people go around dirty, stinking, and with long matted hair and beard, and those that do generally meet with social disapproval. Sheyla's implants OTOH take her way out of the normal range of human variation.

[publius]

I did check up Wiki, but it only got me confused since K is given as synonym of FF. Probably an European vs. American notation there (a standard notation can be recognized by the fact there's more than one notation, eh?), and anyway one supposes her rack must indeed be "off the chart" at 26" or thereabouts to count as recordbreaking.

Well, in the "rest of Europe, America, and Canada" table, we seem to have two schemes. Defining the cup size" as the difference between bust and "band" (chest underneath the protuberences) circumferences, we have an A = 1, B = 2, C = 3... progression all the way up, and then one that uses double and triple lettering starting with D.

The second scheme is apparently what we're using here, and goes like this:

A = 1, B = 2 ... D = 4, DD = 5, DDD = 6, E = 7, EE = 8, EEE= 9...

So it looks like our cup size formula would be:

c = 3*(X - 3 ) + n, where X is the letter position, and n is the number of letters for X >= D. For X = D, that gives us 4. For EE, that gives us 3*(5 - 3) + 2 = 8, which agrees with the table, so I think that's correct.

For KKK, X = 11 and n = 3, so we have c = 27"


-Richard

[gzhpcu]

Never thought I'd learn about cup sizes on BAUT...:)

[tnjrp]

As long as it all scientific-like... :whistle:

[gzhpcu]

As long as it all scientific-like... :whistle:
Well, it is about heavenly bodies, isn't it? :)

[tnjrp]

Well, about orbs of one kind or another at any rate.

[timb]

Well, about orbs of one kind or another at any rate.

I feel I should be able to relate this to the discussion of the line of the orbital nodes in the extrasolar planets thread.

[closetgeek]

Everyone's entitled to express their own tastes, and most people seem to think Sheyla's implants are distasteful, and probably evidence of mental dysfunction. Part of the reason think that way about her implants but not about shaving, washing and haircuts is that shaving, washing and haircuts are all things we do to remain within the normal range of human variation within our society. In modern US society few people go around dirty, stinking, and with long matted hair and beard, and those that do generally meet with social disapproval. Sheyla's implants OTOH take her way out of the normal range of human variation.

Timb it was more of an argument against the claim of "I like 'em natural" rather then defending the normality of it. I find it a bit annoying to always hear that statement. Having more male friends then female friends, I hear that statement a lot and it also, more often then not, is followed by "and I don't like girls that are too skinny." You go out with a group of them and they all find themselves stumbling over the same girl. "You know what? That girl is about 90lbs, that is not her natural colored hair, the boobs are fake, and I bet she spends about 30hrs on a treadmill. Her hair did not just accidentally fall that way and I can tell you right now she owns stock in Maybeline."
I don't mean to sound judgemental, I don't disagree at all with enhancing any appearance, I am just pointing out that for all these people who "love natural girls" why does the highest maintanance girl never have to take out her wallet to buy a drink?

[jfribrg]

Well, it is about heavenly bodies, isn't it? :)

Maybe there is some money in the NASA budget alloted for the exploration of binary systems.

[Donnie B.]

...why does the highest maintanance girl never have to take out her wallet to buy a drink?
Um... because that's the definition of high maintenance?

[Gillianren]

. . . Why does the highest maintanance girl never have to take out her wallet to buy a drink?

You must hang out in different crowds than I do. Then again, in many ways, I am the highest-maintenance girl in most of my crowds. Just not when it comes to things like makeup.

[korjik]

Timb it was more of an argument against the claim of "I like 'em natural" rather then defending the normality of it. I find it a bit annoying to always hear that statement. Having more male friends then female friends, I hear that statement a lot and it also, more often then not, is followed by "and I don't like girls that are too skinny." You go out with a group of them and they all find themselves stumbling over the same girl. "You know what? That girl is about 90lbs, that is not her natural colored hair, the boobs are fake, and I bet she spends about 30hrs on a treadmill. Her hair did not just accidentally fall that way and I can tell you right now she owns stock in Maybeline."
I don't mean to sound judgemental, I don't disagree at all with enhancing any appearance, I am just pointing out that for all these people who "love natural girls" why does the highest maintanance girl never have to take out her wallet to buy a drink?

Do you call them on it?

[timb]

Timb it was more of an argument against the claim of "I like 'em natural" rather then defending the normality of it. I find it a bit annoying to always hear that statement. Having more male friends then female friends, I hear that statement a lot and it also, more often then not, is followed by "and I don't like girls that are too skinny." You go out with a group of them and they all find themselves stumbling over the same girl. "You know what? That girl is about 90lbs, that is not her natural colored hair, the boobs are fake, and I bet she spends about 30hrs on a treadmill. Her hair did not just accidentally fall that way and I can tell you right now she owns stock in Maybeline."
I don't mean to sound judgemental, I don't disagree at all with enhancing any appearance, I am just pointing out that for all these people who "love natural girls" why does the highest maintanance girl never have to take out her wallet to buy a drink?

Well there could be separate populations of nature lovers and artifice afficianados, but likely there are issues of hypocrisy and failure of self-control. It may be galling that some women never have to take out their wallets to buy a drink, but does hanging around in bars trying to score free drinks off needy and intoxicated men lead to the best life outcomes?

[closetgeek]

Well there could be separate populations of nature lovers and artifice afficianados, but likely there are issues of hypocrisy and failure of self-control. It may be galling that some women never have to take out their wallets to buy a drink, but does hanging around in bars trying to score free drinks off needy and intoxicated men lead to the best life outcomes?

I actually don't hang out in bars that was just an example off the top of my head of a place where girls like that get the attention despite the fact that most claim not to like that type. I have been married for the past ten years so it's not even a question of me needing to have a drink purchased for me, it's an observations.

Do you call them on it?
Yeah, the last time I went off on my rant was a street celebration for Halloween. I think the phrase, "You know!" set off there nagging woman alarm system which triggered a total ear canal shut down.

You must hang out in different crowds than I do. Then again, in many ways, I am the highest-maintenance girl in most of my crowds. Just not when it comes to things like makeup.

I guess I was the highest maintenance in my circle because I was the only female. Most of the guys I knew were too goofy and awkward to approach them, the would just admire from a distance.

Um... because that's the definition of high maintenance?

Lol, Donny B.

[Ara Pacis]

Timb it was more of an argument against the claim of "I like 'em natural" rather then defending the normality of it. I find it a bit annoying to always hear that statement. Having more male friends then female friends, I hear that statement a lot and it also, more often then not, is followed by "and I don't like girls that are too skinny." You go out with a group of them and they all find themselves stumbling over the same girl. "You know what? That girl is about 90lbs, that is not her natural colored hair, the boobs are fake, and I bet she spends about 30hrs on a treadmill. Her hair did not just accidentally fall that way and I can tell you right now she owns stock in Maybeline."
I don't mean to sound judgemental, I don't disagree at all with enhancing any appearance, I am just pointing out that for all these people who "love natural girls" why does the highest maintanance girl never have to take out her wallet to buy a drink?

I can understand the sentiment of liking them natural, in the same way that a person can appreciate the natural beauty of the Grant Tetons. But we sometimes forget the awe we experience at a human work of art like Mount Rushmore. We wish for perfection to be natural rather than manufactured because we always wish for an easier way out. More to the point, survival of the fittest might make men desire for it to be a genetic trait in a mate rather than merely morphological so that they can pass it on to their offspring. Even more to the point, men say that they prefer natural in order to endear themselves to any other women in earshot who would be critical of such artifical augmentations.

[The Small Lebowski]

In modern US society few people go around dirty, stinking, and with long matted hair and beard]

They don't?

[gzhpcu]

I can understand the sentiment of liking them natural, in the same way that a person can appreciate the natural beauty of the Grant Tetons.
Nice...The most common explanation is that "Grand Teton" means "large teat" in French.:)

[gzhpcu]

By the way, this is all an old story, i.e. the Stone Age Venus figurines...

The depiction of the female form that is common in the mobiliary art of the period points to wider societal and cultural issues of great importance. Many scholars have assumed that figurine features such as exaggerated breasts, sexual organs, hips and buttocks allude to these objects being used to signify and encourage fertility, to represent an idea of female beauty or alternately to portray an ancient ‘Mother Goddess’http://www.geocities.com/triple-moon/articles/venusfig.html

[Ara Pacis]

By the way, this is all an old story, i.e. the Stone Age Venus figurines...

http://www.geocities.com/triple-moon/articles/venusfig.html

Come to think of it, I recall from an Art History class that the Romans often placed large sculptures of male anatomy on pedestals, perhaps as part of property markers. I can't recall why.

[HenrikOlsen]

Like this?
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u313/momomesh/lord_of_the_rings_the_fellowship_of.jpg

[gzhpcu]

Come to think of it, I recall from an Art History class that the Romans often placed large sculptures of male anatomy on pedestals, perhaps as part of property markers. I can't recall why.
If you go to Pompey, you will find many statues of Priapus, a Greek god of fertility, who was appropiately endowed...

[Robinson]

Warning! Don't do a wikipedia search on "Priapus" if you are at work.

[Robinson]

Ignore my grinning avatar, I am serious about this!

[closetgeek]

Even more to the point, men say that they prefer natural in order to endear themselves to any other women in earshot who would be critical of such artifical augmentations.

That's the most honest answer yet!

[HenrikOlsen]

Just like men watch chick flicks to get laid:)

[timb]

Come to think of it, I recall from an Art History class that the Romans often placed large sculptures of male anatomy on pedestals, perhaps as part of property markers. I can't recall why.

Similar customs persist in several Asian countries. The Hounen festival at Tagata shrine (http://www.yamasa.org/japan/english/destinations/aichi/tagata_jinja.html) in Japan, the lingam of India, and the flying phalluses of Bhutan. Even strait-laced Korea has Tolharubang (http://www.stsite.com/jeju/show.php?directory=&currentPic=9), a phallic fertility god, in slightly cryptic form.

[timb]

That's the most honest answer yet!

It doesn't gel with me. Few women "go natural" -- most women employ cosmetic artifice to a greater or lesser degree -- so by that reasoning wouldn't it be more widely endearing for a man to say he loved artifice? I think the reason this "works" is because women subconsciously resent the need to engage in cosmetic artifice and wish to be desired for what they really are. Cosmetic advertising hints at this: almost universally they emphasize how the product will make the woman more "natural" than she is naturally.

[لطفيّ]

Cosmetic advertising hints at this: almost universally they emphasize how the product will make the woman more "natural" than she is naturally.

Dirty, sweaty, covered with boils, and dead at 30. That's natural.

[publius]

Oh great, I started another monster. The Google ad thingy is now displaying an ad for "intimate hair removal" and another one about "hair styles" in that intimate area -- click here for pictures, it says. It spells out the hair, using the word that rhymes with cubic.


-Richard

[Ara Pacis]

That's the most honest answer yet!

Well, I try to be honest whenever I can. It makes my lies that much more convincing. ;-)
Howeover, there is something to be said for an aesthetic preference despite sometimes not being able to distinguish a difference. At least upon viewing, tactile response may vary, I'm not sure.

It doesn't gel with me. Few women "go natural" -- most women employ cosmetic artifice to a greater or lesser degree -- so by that reasoning wouldn't it be more widely endearing for a man to say he loved artifice? I think the reason this "works" is because women subconsciously resent the need to engage in cosmetic artifice and wish to be desired for what they really are. Cosmetic advertising hints at this: almost universally they emphasize how the product will make the woman more "natural" than she is naturally.


Considering context, natural includes temporary external support structures. A dispensation is also often granted for cosmetic enhancements that are more readily identifyable as temporary and stylistic versus intentionally deceptive enhancements. More to the point, women know the tricks and may take issue with the level of enhancement and/or deception for various reasons, and when they do, it behooves a present male to acquiesce to the proximal female preference for normative cosmetology, lest said male becomes excluded from further consideration. Of course, if a male sets sight on the more enhanced specimen, then he is free to ignore and deflect criticism directed towards his target acquisition. It's all relative.

[timb]

Considering context, natural includes temporary external support structures. A dispensation is also often granted for cosmetic enhancements that are more readily identifyable as temporary and stylistic versus intentionally deceptive enhancements. More to the point, women know the tricks and may take issue with the level of enhancement and/or deception for various reasons, and when they do, it behooves a present male to acquiesce to the proximal female preference for normative cosmetology, lest said male becomes excluded from further consideration.


I don't think it "behooves" them at all. I think that under almost all circumstances it behooves one to refrain from telling lies. I'm sure some men are sincere when they express a preference for the natural, but they may not know what they are talking about.

Of course, if a male sets sight on the more enhanced specimen, then he is free to ignore and deflect criticism directed towards his target acquisition. It's all relative.

All opportunism might be le mot juste.

[Ara Pacis]

I don't think it "behooves" them at all. I think that under almost all circumstances it behooves one to refrain from telling lies. I'm sure some men are sincere when they express a preference for the natural, but they may not know what they are talking about.

I don't. But then I don't think all falsehoods are necessarily lies.

[closetgeek]

It doesn't gel with me. Few women "go natural" -- most women employ cosmetic artifice to a greater or lesser degree -- so by that reasoning wouldn't it be more widely endearing for a man to say he loved artifice? I think the reason this "works" is because women subconsciously resent the need to engage in cosmetic artifice and wish to be desired for what they really are. Cosmetic advertising hints at this: almost universally they emphasize how the product will make the woman more "natural" than she is naturally.

Or better yet; I love a woman who takes care to enhance her already stunning features. :whistle:

[timb]

I don't. But then I don't think all falsehoods are necessarily lies.

Well how do you make the distinction in this case?

[HenrikOlsen]

Also, many falsehoods are natural, just take mimicry and camouflage in general.

[Trebuchet]

Well how do you make the distinction in this case?

Nobody is going to take this gal's development as natural, hence it's more hyperbole than a lie. The sort of exaggeration everyone knows is just that.

[closetgeek]

It is so funny, every time I open this thread, I see Richards pic and think it's the reaction to the article...makes me giggle.