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coberst
08-February-2009, 07:59 PM
Fair-Mindedness ain’t for Sissies

To be fair-minded one must be vigilant (consciousness plus intention) of the need to treat all viewpoints alike. This demands that we adhere to intellectual standards such as accuracy and sound reasoning, which are unaffected by self-interest.

A contrast with fair-mindedness is intellectual self-centeredness.

Fair-mindedness is a challenging task that demands a family of character traits: intellectual humility, courage, empathy, honesty, perseverance, and a confidence in the value of reason.

Our culture places maximum value not on fair-mindedness but upon self-interest, and maximizing production, and consumption.

Intellectual humility begins with the recognition that absolute certainty regarding any matter of fact is beyond human capacity. There exists no mind-independent reality that we have the capacity to know. We can know only that which is “colored” by our experiences and historical perspective.

Our common sense views, coupled with philosophical tradition and religious dogma, all teach us that such is not the case, that we can find absolute certainty. This cultural tradition works aggressively against our goal of intellectual humility thus demanding that we must become more intellectually sophisticated in order to gain the level of intellectual humility required.

Intellectual courage is a difficult assignment. We all tend to place great value on our own opinion, which is more often than not just something that we grabbed as it flew by. But this is even more of a problem when we are “wedded” to something that we have a strong commitment to, for what ever reason. Our political affiliation is one example.

Intellectual courage is especially difficult, and even dangerous to our well being when we hold ideas that society considers them to be dangerous; even though we are confident that they are rationally grounded. Society often punishes severely all forms of nonconformity; the execution of Socrates by the citizens of Athens might serve as a good example.

By developing this character trait of intellectual courage we will often be ostracized from a group or even a large community. Such an experience will give us incentive to recognize that most people live their lives in such a manner as to be secure in the middle of the approval of those about us.

Intellectual courage ain’t for sissies!

Intellectual empathy is a consciousness that one must engage the imagination in an effort to intellectually place your self into the shoes of another so as to comprehend that other person as well as possible. To accomplish this transaction we must try to learn as much as possible about the other person’s situation so as to reconstruct that person’s assumptions, premises, and ideas.

Many of these ideas were gleaned from the book Critical Thinking: Tools for Taking Charge of Your Professional and Personal Life by Richard Paul and Linda Elder

Gandalf223
08-February-2009, 09:56 PM
What about when "fair-mindedness" is at odds with "right-mindedness?" There are some viewpoints that simply cannot be espoused by a person who is in his/her right mind; are we expected to give them equal consideration?

coberst
08-February-2009, 10:12 PM
What about when "fair-mindedness" is at odds with "right-mindedness?" There are some viewpoints that simply cannot be espoused by a person who is in his/her right mind; are we expected to give them equal consideration?

To be fairminded is not meant to have bad judgment.

mugaliens
08-February-2009, 10:58 PM
Fair-Mindedness ain’t for Sissies

No, it's not.

To be fair-minded one must be vigilant (consciousness plus intention) of the need to treat all viewpoints alike. This demands that we adhere to intellectual standards such as accuracy and sound reasoning, which are unaffected by self-interest.

Excellent!

Intellectual humility begins with the recognition that absolute certainty regarding any matter of fact is beyond human capacity.

This is absolutely incorrect. I am absolutely certain that the temperature outside is lower than my body temperature. Apparently, that matter of fact is well within human capacity. In fact, it was within my son's capacity.

When he was two.

Intellectual courage is a difficult assignment. We all tend to place great value on our own opinion, which is more often than not just something that we grabbed as it flew by.

Sometimes it is. Sometimes it's the sum accumulation of decades of study, practical experience, and endless refinement.

But this is even more of a problem when we are “wedded” to something that we have a strong commitment to, for what ever reason.

We're back in agreement, there.

Our political affiliation is one example.

Can't go there... ...at least not here.

Intellectual empathy is a consciousness that one must engage the imagination in an effort to intellectually place your self into the shoes of another so as to comprehend that other person as well as possible. To accomplish this transaction we must try to learn as much as possible about the other person’s situation so as to reconstruct that person’s assumptions, premises, and ideas.

Still in agreement with 'ya!

Many of these ideas were gleaned from the book Critical Thinking: Tools for Taking Charge of Your Professional and Personal Life by Richard Paul and Linda Elder

Interesting. There's another thread on this board where critical thinking has been severely dissed. I think you'd have some good input.

Swift
09-February-2009, 04:22 AM
Coberst,
Please explain what this has to do with either science or technology and why this should not be moved to Off-Topic Babbling

sarongsong
09-February-2009, 05:15 AM
I'm still waiting for an answer in another coberst "Science & Technology" thread, whose presence there is questionable, too, IMO. :)

ETA
Nevermind:
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:rolleyes:

Gandalf223
09-February-2009, 07:00 AM
Nevermind:
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:rolleyes:

Holy spamcan, Batman!

Warren Platts
09-February-2009, 10:50 AM
This is absolutely incorrect. I am absolutely certain that the temperature outside is lower than my body temperature. Apparently, that matter of fact is well within human capacity. In fact, it was within my son's capacity.

When he was two.
If it's that easy, how do you explain the fact that people suffering from severe hypothermia often tear off their clothes? (Here's a link (http://outside.away.com/outside/magazine/0197/9701fefreez.html) for you.) The fact is that absolute certainty is a myth, and belief in it is a sure-fire way to derail "critical thinking." :)

Ara Pacis
09-February-2009, 11:31 AM
Am I the only one having a Déjà vu moment?

This is... what would you guys call it, an extrapolation from the mean, or something technical like that? I'm too tired to think right now. Anyways, this is a Fantasia on a Syllogism. Socrates was fair minded. Socrated drank hemlock. Drinking hemlock isn't for sissies, thus being fair-minded isn't for sissies.

I think a more interesting discussion would avoid erroneous proclaimations about the error-proneness of such proclaimations and look at the nuts and bolts of current Communications Theory. My External Organization Communications prof was working on a theory of Dialogism and Monologism. Monologism is defined as the concept similar to archtypes, where it is assumed/encouraged that people have identical understandings of the meanings of ideas as described by words. Dialogism is the opposite and assumes/encourages that everyone's own personal learning experience is different and provides a different context for major ideas and even small ideas as expressed in communications. Moreover, both of these are attempts in and/or explanations for the base goal of communications, which is to ascertain, together, the truth of some idea.

In the sense of science, all ideas --yes ALL ideas-- have due recourse to a fair hearing, and that hearing includes the requirement for experiment and empiricism for all ideas. Phlogiston and oxygen theories of combustion both got a fair hearing, but the evidence weighs more heavily in favor of oxygen. It's okay to be fair, but it's not necessary to be balanced.

geonuc
09-February-2009, 05:12 PM
We all tend to place great value on our own opinion, which is more often than not just something that we grabbed as it flew by.
More often than not? I like to think my opinions are generally formed with greater grounding than that. I'd reckon most BAUTzens do the same.

neilzero
09-February-2009, 06:38 PM
Hi coberst: After the error in the second line, I think I agree completely. Different utterances or opinions require a different response. It is well known and broadly accepted that "all' and other absolute words are never appropriate. Clearly I should replace never with rarely. Perhaps your first line would better be "the need to treat opinions with compassion, empathy, honesty and courage" We can play "what if" the apparently erroneous comment was the exact truth, and analyze various scenarios, of course, listening carefully to any rebuttals the other person may offer. Like Al Borland taking to the tool man, we can say, "I don't think so Tim.

BigDon
09-February-2009, 07:07 PM
Our culture places maximum value not on fair-mindedness but upon self-interest, and maximizing production, and consumption.

Coberst, been stuck sitting in Economics class a while have you?

You wouldn't have been the only poster here to have confused a business plan model with everyday human interactions. The boardroom only exists in boardrooms. If that's the only place you dwell, it shrinks your world view in exactly the same way the denziens of "the ghetto" think the whole world is the ghetto.

You gotta work on expanding your world view. Not that you'll come back or anything.(Right now C is basking in the glow of having "educated" us selfish, productive, consumers that he is oh so superior too. Cerebral auto-erotica being like that.)

Swift
09-February-2009, 08:31 PM
Coberst,
Please explain what this has to do with either science or technology and why this should not be moved to Off-Topic Babbling
As Coberst has come and gone today without answering my question, I've moved this thread to OTB.

Francisco
09-February-2009, 08:51 PM
To be fair-minded one must be vigilant (consciousness plus intention) of the need to treat all viewpoints alike.

I hold the view that your point about fair-mindedness is invalid. You must accept the equal validity of my viewpoint, or you are not being fair-minded.

Francisco
09-February-2009, 08:54 PM
Our culture places maximum value not on fair-mindedness but upon self-interest, and maximizing production, and consumption.[/b]

Whose culture? I don't know any two people who hold the same values.

But, self-interest, maximizing production and consumption - agree with these values or not, they are at least reasonably well-defined, which makes them different than fair-mindedness.