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gzhpcu
22-April-2009, 05:40 AM
A couple of days ago, my wife said that a friend of hers is into spiritualism, and that there would be an evening with a spiritualist/medium, organized by a spiritualist society, and that we can also come along if interested.

Oh well, why not, I thought, a good opportunity to experience one firsthand.

So last night, we arrived at a local school's auditorium. Close to a hundred persons had assembled, most of which kinew each other. There was a buzz of anticipation among the crowd. My wife's friend greeted us, and gushingly started praising spiritualism. She told us that an Englishman, Stephen Barry, would be demonstrating his powers this evening.

Finally, ten minutes late, a portly Englishman, slickly dressed in a dark suit, appeared accompanied by an entourage of adoring, elderly females. My first impression was of a slick used car salesman. Being in Lugano, he was accompanied by an woman who served as an interpreter.

They mounted the stage, and Stephen began explaining that he is a "spiritualist", has always had this gift and never studied. He said that he had been a jack-of-all-trades in life, ranging from butcher, gardner, truck driver, etc. ("and now you found an ideal racket", I thought to myself.)

He then started to talk about "auras". How his aura could grow, from the energy of aura of spectators to encompass the auras of the "dearly departed".

"I am just a vehicle to contact the spirits. I am not really very good at this, there are so many conflicting impressions...* he stated (which is to already prepare the audience that he will not always be right...).

Then beaming, he started to look at the audience, and, made his first mistake, he picked me out...

He put his hand to his forehand and said, "I sense that the gentleman with his arms crossed has a tremendous aura and power...". He then went on several minutes, talking about the great power which I emanate, and which can be served for the powers of good or evil... He said that I have the power to help many people, and have a great heart. That I read a lot, but actually should be writing books myself. Did I ever write a book, he asked. Nope, I nodded. "Well, you should..." he replied. Oh brother...

Heads were turning in my direction, to see who he was talking about, including a number of quite attractive young women, who were looking at me in awe. I stifled a smirk, and my wife (who is quite jealous, bless her), nudged me in the side with a rather sharp elbow accompanied by a piercing glance.

He then said that I had had a very tough life (I haven't) and that my father was there to tell me that despite our differences (had none, I had a wonderful father), he wanted to tell me that he loved me. He went on to say that my mother was there, and asked me if she was a tall, commanding presence (I am 6'2", so he assumed I had a tall mother - which I hadn't. Mom was 5' 5" tall), when I said no, he then said, "Well a very slender lady".. (OK, he guessed on correctly).

He then spoke of a heavily busted lady among the spirits wanting to contact me. Neither my grandmother, mother or any departed person I knew matched the profile. He spoke of the name "Diane". That drew a blank. No Diane ever in my life. "Oh well, this might reflect the future...".

Having had no success with me, he then went on a classical fishing expedition. He looked at a woman said he sensed a woman called "Maria", wanted to contact her. Maria, in our neck of the woods, is a very common name... Anyone dear departed with that name, he asked. The woman said no. He then asked if the name Maria meant anything to her. The woman replied her teenage daughter was called Maria. "Ah, that's it..." he beamed, smiling like a grandpiano, "they are talking about Maria..ah, this is so difficult, so many conflicting sensations from the spirits... your grandmother is no longer among us, right" (the woman nodded yes) "Well, she wants to tell you that she is watching over her grandaughter and loves her very much...". The woman swallowed it hook, line and sinker, as the audience mumbled in awe.

The friend of my wife, looked towards me, as if to say, "see, isn't he good". I raised my eyes towards heaven, but she misinterpreted the gesture, thinking I too was converted, and smiled back approvingly.

Beside me, I could sense my wife beginning to fidget, realizing that this guy was just a con-man, playing on the needs of the mostly female audience to contact someone that they had lost.

He then fished further. He asked if anyone knew someone who had committed suicide by placing a rubber hose, connected to the exhaust of their car, in the passenger compartment. Two hands went up. He then went on to say, it was a middleaged man. One hand came down, and he then focused on the remaining hand. Was he unluckly at love? No, she replied. (No, luck with this one, so on to the next...) He asked her if he had had a desk job? Yes, she nodded. A banker perhaps? Yes...she nodded. He took his life because of errors at the bank? Yes, she nodded. My wife's friend looked up at me, as if to say "isn't he great?" (If you want to believe, there is no hope for you...). "Well, he is fine now, but sad that he left such a vacuum by commiting suicide..." he went on to say.

And on, and on. Amazingly, most of the audience was enthralled.

Going home, my wife said that that the medium was a charlatan and it was certainly the last time we would ever go to an event like that. (As we left, a rather nifty young blonde gave me a look of adoration - admiring my great aura, no doubt, infuriating my wife, especially since I looked rather smug...).

"Oh, he wasn't so bad, sweetheart" I replied, "he did say I have this great aura.."

pzkpfw
22-April-2009, 06:25 AM
Thank you for taking the time to write that up. Interesting.

novaderrik
22-April-2009, 07:14 AM
you could have had SOOOO much fun by turning everything around on him and asking him a bunch of vague and personal questions...
this would have not only helped to discredit him, but also made all those women folk adore your superior spiritual skillz...

gzhpcu
22-April-2009, 07:31 AM
you could have had SOOOO much fun by turning everything around on him and asking him a bunch of vague and personal questions...
this would have not only helped to discredit him, but also made all those women folk adore your superior spiritual skillz...
He does not make this possible, because the audience is not allowed to enter into any discussion with him. Only respond with yes or no, or at the most give a short answer to a direct question posed by him. He knows why..:)

And he is ushered quickly in, and disappears quickly afterwards, just like a rock star.

Paul Beardsley
22-April-2009, 08:14 AM
A very enjoyable account, gzhpcu, although it is depressing that people are SO easily taken in.

novaderrik
22-April-2009, 11:00 AM
A very enjoyable account, gzhpcu, although it is depressing that people are SO easily taken in.

this seems like a good place to link to some song lyrics (http://www.encycmet.com/lyrics/lyr-mop6.shtml)..



Witchery, weakening
Sees the sheep are gathering
set the trap, hypnotize
now you follow

gzhpcu
22-April-2009, 11:51 AM
Thinking things over a day after, I am rather ambivalent about what I should think of the charlatan: my wife's friend lost her daughter several years ago at the young age of 22. Understandably, the mother is under a great strain and grief.

Now this "spiritualist" tells her that her daughter is happy and well in the afterlife, sends her love, and is aware of what her mother does and thinks. Told him to tell his mother "thanks for the beautiful flowers you recently placed on my grave." This helped the mother to cope with her loss, even if he made it all up. She told me, that "my daughter is still with us...". So even, if he is making things up, he does seem to help person deal with the loss of a loved one...

So is he of therapeutical help? What do you think? I know one should not lie, but white lies try to help people...:confused:

Paul Beardsley
22-April-2009, 12:13 PM
I don't think that's a white lie.

And I suspect that if people are offered lies to cope with bad things, long-term harm is involved. Specifically, people are encouraged to build belief systems (or models of reality) which are founded on falsehoods.

gzhpcu
22-April-2009, 12:16 PM
Yes, guess you are right...

geonuc
22-April-2009, 12:21 PM
I'm not so sure. Providing comfort to the grieving is not a bad thing.

As to auras, there are many who say they can see them, yet don't claim to speak to the dead.

Moose
22-April-2009, 12:28 PM
What they are doing is unethical, full stop. It's one thing (usually misguided) to lie to try and comfort or protect someone, it's quite another to do it for money. Keep in mind that mass shows are frequently infomercials to hook people into multiple very expensive private sessions. Sylvia Browne, just to name one, charges several hundred dollars for 20 minute "private" readings.

Penn Jilette pointed out (on the pilot of his unnameable show) that psychics stall and delay the grieving process. A person who lives in the (false) hope that a psychic can contact their loved one upon request cannot learn to move on and get on with their lives.

geonuc
22-April-2009, 12:49 PM
Yeah, the taking money part is not good.

Rue
22-April-2009, 02:49 PM
A tremendous aura?

Now you can strut.;)

closetgeek
22-April-2009, 02:54 PM
How is a person to move on when they have a "spiritualist" telling them that their dearly departed is hanging around, watching them grow? No, they don't help, they capitolize on grief and justify it to themselves by saying, "that person felt better when I told them what they wanted to hear." We should start an organization of skeptics that book up all their shows. When they come out and start acting like they are getting a read on someone, no one raise their hand. Maybe they will think they just stink at cold readings and go away.

Fazor
22-April-2009, 03:04 PM
Or we could just produce a video that shows the "fishing" techniques these people use, so everyone can learn to be a medium.

closetgeek
22-April-2009, 03:22 PM
Fazor you've done it! Make a video and start infomercials. We can get Billy Mays or that Shamwow guy to host it. Charge people $9 for the video and if they call within the next 20 minutes we will throw in a Crystal Ball. I can be the testimonial that says I watched the video and made $5000 my first week when in actuality I only made $125. We can justify it by saying we are doing a good thing too. We are debunking the scam artist; what's wrong with making a profit off of it?

Swift
22-April-2009, 03:29 PM
you could have had SOOOO much fun by turning everything around on him and asking him a bunch of vague and personal questions...
this would have not only helped to discredit him, but also made all those women folk adore your superior spiritual skillz...
There was a South Park episode where one of the kids did that. Instead of discrediting the spiritualist, the crowd thougth the kid had the power too.

Swift
22-April-2009, 03:30 PM
He put his hand to his forehand and said, "I sense that the gentleman with his arms crossed has a tremendous aura and power...".
You know, its not how big your aura is, its how well you use it. :whistle:

:shifty:

gzhpcu
22-April-2009, 05:07 PM
Or we could just produce a video that shows the "fishing" techniques these people use, so everyone can learn to be a medium.
Actually this guy had a pretty simple technique:



dangle some information in front of the audience (for example: "I sense a middle-aged man who died in a car accident..."),
wait for a number of persons to respond,
add some additional information ("he is heavy set and balding..") to narrow down the number if needed,
then when a person from the audience has been selected, throw out a name ("Was his name Eddie, or Ed, or Edward...?"?), probably not, so then find out if the person knows any (dead or alive) an Eddie, Ed, Edward, Ted or any name that sounds vaguely familiar, shake head saying "this is so difficult, so many spirits...",
when a person is identified and, unfortunately, is still alive (for example, a son), then quickly say that the middle-aged man keeps asking about Ted. Then find out if it was a father or uncle.
then say that he loves TED and is very happy where he is


This, all for free, on the BAUT forum. The "do it yourself" spiritualist kit. I will, however, accept donations...:)

closetgeek
22-April-2009, 05:16 PM
Wait! I am getting a vision. Does someone here have an interest is science?

Paul Beardsley
22-April-2009, 05:36 PM
Wait! I am getting a vision. Does someone here have an interest is science?

Don't try that on GLP!

Torsten
22-April-2009, 05:42 PM
Hey gzhpcu, that was entertaining. You should write books . . . :D

Trantor
22-April-2009, 06:15 PM
A very nice read. Thank you gzhpcu.

I recall reading that James Randi did a similar stunt years ago, to show how easy it was for a professional con to fool people. It actually had the effect of making them believe that Randi had the power. After he told them that it was all a trick, they didn't believe him.

HenrikOlsen
22-April-2009, 06:27 PM
I'm not so sure. Providing comfort to the grieving is not a bad thing.
But preying on them is. And providing comfort in a way that prevents them from dealing with the grief perpetuates their preyhood.

novaderrik
22-April-2009, 07:12 PM
There was a South Park episode where one of the kids did that. Instead of discrediting the spiritualist, the crowd thougth the kid had the power too.
was that the episode with David Blaine and his Blainetology religion?
i don't think it was since Jesus was in that one making water into wine and feeding the masses with a single fish and all that stuff- but if so, that was one of my favorite episodes.

The Supreme Canuck
22-April-2009, 07:18 PM
What they are doing is unethical, full stop. It's one thing (usually misguided) to lie to try and comfort or protect someone, it's quite another to do it for money. Keep in mind that mass shows are frequently infomercials to hook people into multiple very expensive private sessions. Sylvia Browne, just to name one, charges several hundred dollars for 20 minute "private" readings.

Penn Jilette pointed out (on the pilot of his unnameable show) that psychics stall and delay the grieving process. A person who lives in the (false) hope that a psychic can contact their loved one upon request cannot learn to move on and get on with their lives.

You said it best, Moose. This sort of conjob (and they are all conjobs) is immoral. I'd dare say evil.

Paul Beardsley
22-April-2009, 07:27 PM
You said it best, Moose. This sort of conjob (and they are all conjobs) is immoral. I'd dare say evil.

Yes. Same for astrology.

Swift
22-April-2009, 07:40 PM
Originally Posted by Swift
There was a South Park episode where one of the kids did that. Instead of discrediting the spiritualist, the crowd thougth the kid had the power too.was that the episode with David Blaine and his Blainetology religion?
i don't think it was since Jesus was in that one making water into wine and feeding the masses with a single fish and all that stuff- but if so, that was one of my favorite episodes.
Now that you mention it, I think it was David Blaine, though I don't remember Jesus. IIRC, at the end of the episode I'm thinking of, aliens came down to take Mr. Blaine away to a contest for the Biggest "Idiot" in the Universe, which he won.

The Supreme Canuck
22-April-2009, 08:11 PM
That was Jon Edward, not David Blaine. And, er, it wasn't "idiot," it was... something else.

Swift
23-April-2009, 03:00 PM
That was Jon Edward, not David Blaine. And, er, it wasn't "idiot," it was... something else.
Thanks for correcting the Jon/David confusion

Yes, I knew it wasn't "idiot", but I was afraid I might have to ban myself if I was more explicit. ;)

The Supreme Canuck
24-April-2009, 05:29 AM
Fair enough. I thought that might be the case. :)