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Old 20-July-2005, 02:35 PM
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Ok, a few days ago Username24 posted something along the lines of (paraphrased) "this year Mars will be as big as the full moon". Well today my dad forwarded this email to me:

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In case you want to do a little star gazing....This sounds really
> interesting...jn
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> > Subject: FW: Mark your calendars!
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Mars


The Red Planet is about to be spectacular!

This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in an
encounter
that
will culminate in the closest approach between the two planets in
recorded history. The next time Mars may come this close is
in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on
Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be
certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth
in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as
60,000 years before it happens again.

The encounter will culminate on August 27th when
Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and
will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in
the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9
and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest
75-power magnification



Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye.

Mars will be easy to spot. At the
beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m.
and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.

By the end of August when the two planets are
closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its
highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That's pretty
convenient to see something that no human being has
seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at
the beginning of August to see Mars grow
progressively brighter and brighter throughout the
month.

Share this with your children and grandchildren.
NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN
Is this simply a case of bad grammer and people repeating things they didn't really understand? Or is this straight woo-woo? Or am I just dumb?
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Old 20-July-2005, 03:32 PM
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Is this honestly the first email forwarded to you that was factually incorrect? It is part of the mixed blessing of instantaneous communication. Everyone, including those who do not take the time to check the validity of the information, has a "forward" button, and an address list. IMO, email would be far better without those two little innovations.

The majority of these things get sent around so much that they show up on the radar of a site like www.snopes.com . The best method to dealing with an email like this is to delete it, and let the person who sent it know that you do not need to receive such emails in the future. If you are one of those people who simply cannot keep your pointer off the "forward" button, at least check the validity before you forward.
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Old 20-July-2005, 03:32 PM
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It's being discussed in this thread

PS: It's not so much factually incorrect, as two years late--it was originally sent in regards to the Mars conjunction of August 2003
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Old 20-July-2005, 03:34 PM
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Snopes' take on it.

Edit to add quote:

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(The message quoted above was often reproduced with an unfortunate line break in the middle of the second sentence of the second paragraph, leaving some readers with the mistaken impression that Mars would "look as large as the full moon to the naked eye" and not realizing that the statement only applied to those using viewing Mars through a scope with 75-power
magnification.)
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Old 20-July-2005, 05:06 PM
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Is this honestly the first email forwarded to you that was factually incorrect?
Actually....yes 8). I get junk mail, but that doesn't count, cause that is just false advertising.
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Old 20-July-2005, 05:33 PM
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The fastest way to get of off the list to receive bulk spam from your acquaintances is to hit the reply all button and respond with factual information and links to credible sources that support your statements. Most of the time these messages contain multiple email addresses of many friends of the sender. The original sender will be embarrassed enough to make sure you never get another junk email again.

Only do this if you don’t mind never hearing from the person again.
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Old 20-July-2005, 08:09 PM
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The fastest way to get of off the list to receive bulk spam from your acquaintances is to hit the reply all button and respond with factual information and links to credible sources that support your statements. Most of the time these messages contain multiple email addresses of many friends of the sender. The original sender will be embarrassed enough to make sure you never get another junk email again.

Only do this if you don’t mind never hearing from the person again.
I do that, but I also go one step further. Usually, when someone forward an email they leave the addresses of all the previous people who have forwarded the email. So the message looks like this:

from: billybob
to: tofu
subject: fw: fw: fw: fw: OMFG WTF?

>from: jethro
>to: billybob
>subject: fw: fw: fw: OMFG WTF?

>>from: anniemay
>>to: jethro
>>subject: fw: fw: fw: OMFG WTF?

>>Teh Moon is as BIG as mars!!!111

When you think about it, this makes sense. A person who is too lazy to spend 30 seconds looking this up in google is also too lazy to clean up the email before forwarding it. Anyway, what I usually do is email jethro and anniemay from an anonymous account and I tell them that they are very foolish for believing this and very rude for forwarding it on.

I'm sorry, but this is the 21st century. In my opinion, if you are an adult you should be smart enough to learn basic netiquette, and that includes not propagating stupid hoaxes. Polite emails rarely work on these types of people, but a very rude email that berates them mercilessly might just be traumatic enough to make them think twice about doing it in the future.
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Old 10-August-2005, 11:09 PM
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The fastest way to get of off the list to receive bulk spam from your acquaintances is to hit the reply all button and respond with factual information and links to credible sources that support your statements. Most of the time these messages contain multiple email addresses of many friends of the sender. The original sender will be embarrassed enough to make sure you never get another junk email again.

Only do this if you don’t mind never hearing from the person again.
I do that, but I also go one step further. Usually, when someone forward an email they leave the addresses of all the previous people who have forwarded the email. So the message looks like this:

from: billybob
to: tofu
subject: fw: fw: fw: fw: OMFG WTF?

>from: jethro
>to: billybob
>subject: fw: fw: fw: OMFG WTF?

>>from: anniemay
>>to: jethro
>>subject: fw: fw: fw: OMFG WTF?

>>Teh Moon is as BIG as mars!!!111

When you think about it, this makes sense. A person who is too lazy to spend 30 seconds looking this up in google is also too lazy to clean up the email before forwarding it. Anyway, what I usually do is email jethro and anniemay from an anonymous account and I tell them that they are very foolish for believing this and very rude for forwarding it on.

I'm sorry, but this is the 21st century. In my opinion, if you are an adult you should be smart enough to learn basic netiquette, and that includes not propagating stupid hoaxes. Polite emails rarely work on these types of people, but a very rude email that berates them mercilessly might just be traumatic enough to make them think twice about doing it in the future.
I got a couple of similiar emails forwarded from a friend; and did the 'reply to all' with a link or two debunking same. Months later, from the same friend, I got a virus alert with panic written all over it. The email said to do a search and delete what comes up on your computer stateing it was a deadly (for your data) virus hibernating. Being skeptical, I Googled the search term; the Norton site came up calling it a 'hoax' warning. If you deleted what it said to delete, one would ~have~ to re-install Windows for the pc to function correctly.

I forwarded the link to him immediately, along with thirty others on his forwarded email. This was within five minutes of receiving it from him. Told him to don't ever automatically send out anything like that again with at least checking it out. "Look at the damage you could have caused."

Jeez, the naivete.
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Old 10-August-2005, 11:37 PM
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I'm writing a blog entry/webpage about this over the weekend.
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I'm writing a blog entry/webpage about this over the weekend.
Nice. 8) I was thinking about the same thing - several of my mates recently asked me about this Mars thing that is 'coming up.' I didn't realise this email was still being spread around. #-o

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Old 11-August-2005, 12:33 AM
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On the other hand...

My boat has come in guys! I was recently contacted by a nigerian government agent. This guy is gonna give me millions of dollars, just to hold onto his money for him. What kind of telescope should i purchase with all that money to watch this martian event?
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Old 11-August-2005, 01:57 AM
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On the other hand...

My boat has come in guys! I was recently contacted by a nigerian government agent. This guy is gonna give me millions of dollars, just to hold onto his money for him. What kind of telescope should i purchase with all that money to watch this martian event?
No way! You and I must have been picked specially or something, because they were gonna do that for me too! :wink:
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Old 11-August-2005, 03:17 AM
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You guys are lucky. All I ever get are notices from my bank telling me to enter in my account info and password for them to verify.
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Old 11-August-2005, 03:28 AM
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You guys are lucky. All I ever get are notices from my bank telling me to enter in my account info and password for them to verify.
Once in awhile I go to their form page and fill out fake information just to get their hopes up, but it takes too long to do very often. Mail programs should have a retaliate button that automates this.
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I was at a birthday party last Friday when the birthday girl made a comment about mars being as large as the moon in a few weeks. I said she must have heard or been told wrong, because the closest approach was a few years ago, but it would never be as big as the moon. However, she persisted so I left it alone, since it was her party. I hate to respond with an "appeal to authority" but sometimes you want to just smack someone upside the head and ask "what's the matter with you." This is the roommate of the person I mentioned in another thread who thinks that neutrons only interact with water and that fission chain reactions are caused by beta and alpha particles.

Oh, my aching head. #-o
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The local paper actually debunked this today. On the front page, even. Wish I could find a link. I'm referring to The Ottawa Citizen if anyone cares to try.
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Snopes also has an entry for this, another place you can point people.

http://www.snopes.com/science/mars.asp
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The fastest way to get of off the list to receive bulk spam from your acquaintances is to hit the reply all button and respond with factual information and links to credible sources that support your statements. Most of the time these messages contain multiple email addresses of many friends of the sender. The original sender will be embarrassed enough to make sure you never get another junk email again.

Only do this if you don’t mind never hearing from the person again.
I tried exactly that with a person who sent me that Photoshopped picture of the SE Asian tsumani from last December. You may have gotten the pic, yourself... Anyway, I linked to Snopes and added some comments of my own, to which she replied something like "Why should I believe Snopes, I don't know those people." It was worth a shot, though.

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The fastest way to get of off the list to receive bulk spam from your acquaintances is to hit the reply all button and respond with factual information and links to credible sources that support your statements. Most of the time these messages contain multiple email addresses of many friends of the sender. The original sender will be embarrassed enough to make sure you never get another junk email again.

Only do this if you don’t mind never hearing from the person again.

Yeah, I've done this before. I was banned from many yahoo groups because of it.

Ignorance is bliss I suppose. *shrug*


It is amazing though, how many folks take things they read at face value. Not think for a second that, "Hey! This may be wrong. Perhaps I should google it for more info." Especially with "Mars being as big as the moon" and all. :roll:
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Snopes also has an entry for this, another place you can point people.

http://www.snopes.com/science/mars.asp
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2...l_marshoax.htm


Just for back-up. In case someone does not believe you. :wink:
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