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Old 27-October-2009, 12:27 AM
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Default Very low Lux Bullet camera questions

First, I have a 60mm Meade Telescope. I'm looking at a EXVISION BW NIGHT VIEW BULLET CAMERA .0003 LUX. This also has various size lens that can be installed. This would be connected to a small TV to start with.

I'm considering getting this and mounting over my 26mm or 9mm eyepiece, and then recording the images from my TV.

I would also remove this Bullet camera and record with it free standing (connected to tv still) I thought with that good of a low lux rating, I might at least get a good show for meteors. (Plus satellites and other night flyers.)

My higher hopes are that I could record video in better detail than my 6 Lux panasonic (2 lux in "night vision" mode) of star clusters, such as Pleiades's, beehive and such.

I don't have thousands of dollars to spend. Just getting that bullet camera is a major expense right now. ($110)

I'm getting fair video of the moon with my panasonic mated up to my telescope, and even can get Jupiter with 4 moons.

Has anyone tried anything like this here? Mating up a .0003 low lux video camera to a telescope, and what were the results?

It's either this method, or getting a Yukon or Bushnell 4x50 night vision monocular and try that.
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What model telescope do you have?
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What model telescope do you have?
Meade 60mm Telescope. Non equatorial tripod.
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Old 27-October-2009, 01:29 AM
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Like what model number, series? You might run in to trouble if you have a .965'' focuser.

Also, 60mm isn't a lot of aperture. You'll have very limited resolution. I'm guessing the focal ratio is probably around f/11, meaning that if you hook the camera up directly, (without an eyepiece and lens) you won't be getting enough light, and you'll have a narrow field of view. I don't have any experience with nightvision cameras for astronomy though. Most people use CCD imagers, which can get extremely expensive. The original Meade DSIs can go for less than $100 on the used market though, and are astronomy specific. (of course you'll need a laptop, Netbook probably sufficient.)

Is there a reason you want to use a camera instead of your eyes?
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Old 27-October-2009, 01:54 AM
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Model is RB-60

Focal length 700mm

I'm not sure how to find out the focal ratio. Divide 700 by 60? That comes to 11.66

Why do I want pictures, video, or images, the same reason most do I suppose. I enjoy looking through the scope, but like photography and videography as well.

I've not tried shooting through the tube without the eyepiece or mirror yet. Although my digital cam or my camcorder just can't get all that much other than the moon.

If that very low lux bullet camera would work, imagine how much more affordable recording astronomy could be.....
I like to think outside the box, and save my money when possible, yet enjoy a hobby.
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Well, you have a 1.25'' focuser, so that's good. However, your telescope really isn't suitable for photography of any kind. The mount is too lightweight and the aperture is too small. I suggest saving up for a better telescope rather than buying a camera.
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Old 28-October-2009, 12:43 AM
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Well, you have a 1.25'' focuser, so that's good. However, your telescope really isn't suitable for photography of any kind. The mount is too lightweight and the aperture is too small. I suggest saving up for a better telescope rather than buying a camera.
Perhaps if you go to youtube and look up the user Thrundar (me) there and take a look through, you'll see I think outside the box, and that yes indeed my telescope is good for photography of at least the lunar kind.

Since you have not used a very low lux bullet cam of .0003, I'm not sure your assumption on my telescopes photography ability is accurate. The bullet cam is small and weighs a lot less than my 1 pound camcorder.

I've done a lot of searches on youtube and elsewhere and I have found nobody who has attempted this....yet.
I may be the first.
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Default Taken through 60mm F/11 Meade

This was taken with my camcorder 1 frame of the video (30 fps) Through my 60mm meade a few days ago. My camcorder has a LUX rating of 6.0

Imagine what a .0003 would do.

This is the sword area in Orion's belt.
Yeah, I think more can be done with this 60mm scope with lower lux cam.
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Old 28-October-2009, 02:12 AM
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Your attached image isn't showing up.

Anyway, I'd be wary of the .0003 lux rating, especially with a non brand name product. Remember, you get what you pay for. If you have a limited budget it may not be wise to experiment in such a way.

Using low cost nightvision cameras with small telescopes isn't commonplace, but if you can make it work, good for you.
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Your attached image isn't showing up.

Anyway, I'd be wary of the .0003 lux rating, especially with a non brand name product. Remember, you get what you pay for. If you have a limited budget it may not be wise to experiment in such a way.

Using low cost nightvision cameras with small telescopes isn't commonplace, but if you can make it work, good for you.
The brand name is Ragecam. They have offered money back guarantee if this not perform to my expectations (I pay shipping). Plus this is made in Korea. Too much "stuff" made in China. Not enough made in the USA any more.
I found a Meade 114mm reflector telescope for $139. With a goto system/tracking tripod is Over $330, but that would be a fair starter set up for what I'm wanting. Then again, might as well be $3300 as I don't have the extra 330. lol

Thanks for the input back on this Siguy. I push the limits on what I have where others may give up.

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I'll definitely look into those. I was thinking I had read some very poor reviews regarding Celestron's goto not maintaining alignment, but I've read so many reviews lately I could very easily be confusing them with someone else. Assuming that works well, I do like those scopes a lot.
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I think you should do a lot more research before buying another telescope.
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I'll definitely look into those. I was thinking I had read some very poor reviews regarding Celestron's goto not maintaining alignment, but I've read so many reviews lately I could very easily be confusing them with someone else. Assuming that works well, I do like those scopes a lot.
Why exactly did you create an account just to make one post that is a copy and paste of my post from a different thread? Seems a rather odd way to spend your time.
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Why exactly did you create an account just to make one post that is a copy and paste of my post from a different thread? Seems a rather odd way to spend your time.
Because the said member is a spambot, now banned.
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Because the said member is a spambot, now banned.
Yeah, I figured either that or a glitch in the forum software. Can never be sure what kinds of weirdos you might run into though, this is the Internet, after all.
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