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Old 08-May-2002, 05:23 PM
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On 2002-05-07 23:53, David Hall wrote:
Interesting thought. It's only bad astronomy if there is at the time a more accurate knowledge that is being overlooked. So we can't call it "bad", we can only call it "wrong", as later discoveries invalidated the previous conceptions.

Or is this just a nitpick over semantics?
More than a nitpick; it's vital to the concept of science. There's nothing wrong with being wrong! Science learns as much from being wrong as it does from being right. (Perhaps more!)

Any time you state a hypothesis, you risk being wrong. In science, it's rather rare for anyone to prove a hypothesis to be right. (And the moment you do, someone will come along and "refine" it, showing that it wasn't "right enough," and so you lose either way!)

The story is told of all the students pouring out of the auditorium where quantum uncertainty had just been unveiled. They were cheering and celebrating. "Everything we've ever known has been wrong!"

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Old 08-May-2002, 07:24 PM
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If the Bible was written by men, without a god's inspiration, then, one might take the track that it wasn't 'bad' astronomy. (It would be interesting to know when the Chinese or native populations of the Americas figured out the Earth was round, it orbited the Sun, and the Moon was round and orbited the Earth.)

But, if one assumes a god inspired the writings, or, if one assumed the stories were anything close to accurate accounts, then the 'bad' astronomy, 'bad' geology, etc. seems a more accurate word choice.

What I said was, there is no evidence in Biblical writings that suggest it was inspired by anything other than men, in and around the area of Egypt and Israel, at the time period when the Bible was written.

Objectively, since other cultures have similar religious writings and stories, there is no basis to conclude the Bible is any more 'god inspired' than any other book.

While the 'Big Bang' model is theoretical, the Biblical description of the origin of the Universe, as it is written, not as it is reinterpretid, is not a competing model.

Genetic research has all but proven the theory of evolution. (For those of you who doubt this, I recommend you look into the last 10 years of discoveries before replying.) The Biblical model of Creation, as it is written, not as it is reinterpretid, is also not a competing model.

I am not implying any value judgement. Religions of all types have been behind both good and bad things. I do think religion divides us as a human race. The more you can make the other person 'unlike' you tends to fall in the direction of 'less than' you.

If you want to discuss Creation vs. the Big Bang, I think it is important to address evidence. The Bible is often presented as 'evidence'. 'God told us.' I am merely pointing out that the underlying premise is not supported by the evidence.
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