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Old 20-May-2004, 08:42 PM
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From Space.com: Origins Revealed: Sun and Earth Born amid Chaos

It looks more and more probable that the Solar System formed in a dense region of star birth. In that case one large obstacle for planetary formation and emerge of life has been removed since majority of stars form in such regions.
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They talk about the presence of iron-60 in meteorites, but in the press release don't say which meteorites they checked. I have some iron meteorites, and now I'm curious...
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Several recent observations have been leading up to this conclusion, like Sedna's weird orbit, the sharp truncation of the Kuiper Belt, and possibility Uranus and Neptune have been stripped of their hydrogen envelope. Not too long ago a read a paper that concluded the sun formed in a region slightly more "intense" than the Orion Nebula, but nothing like the Carina Nebula, and the sun formed next to one or two Wolf-Rayet stars, which are enormous beasts. I'm going to see if I can find it again.
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Shouldn't there be some evidence of a past nebula of something? Seems strange that everything else would have float off somewhere else, that it wouldn't have stuck together somewhat even over 4.2 billion years.
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Several recent observations have been leading up to this conclusion, like Sedna's weird orbit, the sharp truncation of the Kuiper Belt, and possibility Uranus and Neptune have been stripped of their hydrogen envelope. Not too long ago a read a paper that concluded the sun formed in a region slightly more "intense" than the Orion Nebula, but nothing like the Carina Nebula, and the sun formed next to one or two Wolf-Rayet stars, which are enormous beasts. I'm going to see if I can find it again.
So what happened to them? Get old and blow up millions of years ago? I would think if they were that close and large, they would generally stick together.
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Shouldn't there be some evidence of a past nebula of something? Seems strange that everything else would have float off somewhere else, that it wouldn't have stuck together somewhat even over 4.2 billion years.
From what I've read, the Sun is part of the Ursa Major Moving Group.
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From what I've read, the Sun is part of the Ursa Major Moving Group.
It is definitely not. Sun is inside the group, but does not belong to it. The Ursa Major Moving Group is only a billion or so years old. Except for Dubhe (Alpha UMa) and Alkaid (Eta UMa) all the Big Dipper star belong to it. Alphecca (aka Gemma, Alpha CrB) in Corona Borealis and Sirius were once part of it, but they have moved out from the group. Naturally many much dimmer stars also belong to the group.

Good article about the group.
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Shouldn't there be some evidence of a past nebula of something? Seems strange that everything else would have float off somewhere else, that it wouldn't have stuck together somewhat even over 4.2 billion years.
Long gone. The nebula would only exist for a a few million years at most.

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So what happened to them? Get old and blow up millions of years ago? I would think if they were that close and large, they would generally stick together.
Long gone. They would only be around for a few million years before exploding.
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From what I've read, the Sun is part of the Ursa Major Moving Group.
It is definitely not. Sun is inside the group, but does not belong to it. The Ursa Major Moving Group is only a billion or so years old. Except for Dubhe (Alpha UMa) and Alkaid (Eta UMa) all the Big Dipper star belong to it. Alphecca (aka Gemma, Alpha CrB) in Corona Borealis and Sirius were once part of it, but they have moved out from the group. Naturally many much dimmer stars also belong to the group.

Good article about the group.
Thanks for the clarification! 8)
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Within 10,000 years, the EGG around the Sun evaporated, leaving behind a fresh star and a somewhat flat disk of gas and dust destined to form planets, asteroids and comets. Then the nearby massive star's UV radiation began to evaporate the Sun's protoplanetary disk, as it is called.
Awesome if true. Stepping into the "overlap" of science & religion, I wonder if this would not produce blue "waters" (Rayleigh Scattering) if an eyewittness saw this one "day"? Just seems like a Genesis kinda moment.

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The injection of radioactive material from a supernova might even have helped create ultimately hospitable conditions on Earth, the scientists speculate. Importantly, the whole theory comes with testable predictions.
Would this not augment the Earth's internal heat allowing for things such as plate tectonics to assist in life?
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