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Old 25-May-2004, 04:16 PM
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Default Decorative stone column?

Take a look at the lower left corner of this image. There is an object highlighted in light blue, and boxed in a green rectangle.

Be sure to expand it to full size or save it, and view it under zoom on your imaging software so you can see the details.

I find this object interesting.

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Old 25-May-2004, 04:30 PM
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Default Here it is, enlarged...

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Old 25-May-2004, 04:49 PM
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Default Sorry about that...

Thanks for letting me know, though.

I'll try to fix that.
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Old 25-May-2004, 04:51 PM
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Default Re: Decorative stone column?

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I find this object interesting.

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Why do you call it "sculpture"? What makes you think it might be a decorative stone column? What is interesting about it to you?

Just so everyone's on the same page, the image in question, and others like it, originally came from these NASA/JPL Spirit Sol 93 thumbnails. The raw image appears to be here.
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Old 25-May-2004, 04:59 PM
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Default Okay, this may fix the bandwidth problem:

Here is the enlargement:

Now that you can see it, what do you think?

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Old 25-May-2004, 05:07 PM
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It's a rock that bears a superficial resemblence to a human profile when viewed from a particular angle. As such is no different from the hundreds of similar rock formations found all over the earth. Sorry to be blunt, but I frankly see nothing special about it.
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Old 25-May-2004, 05:17 PM
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It would be nice if you would provide a link to the original as well.
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Old 25-May-2004, 06:52 PM
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Default This object is more likely than not artificial...

I'm posting another image to help you guys see this one.

In the following image, I've changed the orientation of the object, so that it looks more upright. (This may help some of you who did not see that the thing had toppled to the ground).

I have drawn a yellow line through the object to divide it so that you can see where the dividing symetrical line should be. (This should thwart the optical illusions of a crazy mass that some of you may be seeing).

I have also drawn blue lines to indicate corresponding symetrical points.

One set of blue lines show an ornamented "hershey's kiss" shaped object just above where the nose would be. (There is no nose- as this is not a human face). Note not only the symmetry of this specific ornament, but that the location is centered on the object.

Another set of blue lines has been drawn to indicate the location of the top and bottom of an orb (a sphere) that seems to be in the thing's mouth. Note also that the orb is located along the symetrical axis.

There are numerous other symetrical points, and "beads" which are of even number, twists and curls, and a perfectly formed half-goblet like shape in the center of the forehead.

I could go on, but I think the picture would be more helpful:


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Old 25-May-2004, 07:02 PM
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Oh my God! It is... It looks like... It could be...

...another rock.
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Old 25-May-2004, 07:37 PM
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It looks like my tennis sports bag
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Old 25-May-2004, 07:38 PM
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Default Re: This object is more likely than not artificial...

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I have drawn a yellow line through the object to divide it so that you can see where the dividing symetrical line should be.
No way. It seems like your reasoning on this "line of symmetry" is that the part we cannot see must be a mirror-image of what we can see, because this rock is an image of a face.

But, why is it a face? Because it is symmetric!

Come on. The part of the rock we can see on the far side of your line of symmtery isn't even symmetric. As best I can tell, the blue lines only point to symmtery that is in your mind.

Do you have any evidence this is not a natural rock?
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Old 25-May-2004, 07:45 PM
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Looking at the raw image, without all of the coloring and blurring effects ........... it looks like a rock. Granted, an interestingly shaped rock, but a rock none the less.
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Just another proof that the brain tries to identify faces in everything it sees. Is pretty important for survival, at least, has been. Maybe they should send politicians into the imaging teams. Those are highly trained to remember faces.
If you look at all the different morphologies animals have developed here on Earth, I'd say it's highly unlikely that any aliens morphology would resemble the human one. The difference will be much larger than just a boney forehead...

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Old 25-May-2004, 07:54 PM
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Default You ask if it is a natural rock..

I don't understand why you would ask if it is a natural rock. Of course it is a natural rock.

In order to be a carved rock - it would have to be a natural rock.

In fact, it would remain a natural rock, even after the carving takes place.

You seem to suggest it could only be a carved stone column if the substance of the carving was not natural stone.

There are numerous examples on earth, of human beings carving into natural stone. If you are not aware of these, go googling. They often used a hammer and chisel, and other such tools for the task. Believe me, it was not uncommon, particularly before the advent of concrete.

I also don't understand why you think the symetrical points can't be seen. There are thousands of symetrical points in view on both sides of the object. (Simply because there are still points out of view, does not mean you shouldn't consider the numerous points that are in view). In a single view, there will always be points of a 3-dimensional object that can not be seen.

The many symetrical points are there for you to see if you simply look. A few are even labeled. I've noted several for you.

I suggest you pull it up in some good imaging software and zoom in on it so you can see it better. Then study it for awhile before you comment further.
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Old 25-May-2004, 08:11 PM
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As I stated in my previous post, I did take a look at the raw image. It looks to me like your "color enhancement" filled in a bit more that the original image shows.

Those two protutions along the top part of the rock have very distinct seperations that do not appear in your image.
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Old 25-May-2004, 08:15 PM
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I don't understand why you would ask if it is a natural rock. Of course it is a natural rock.

In order to be a carved rock - it would have to be a natural rock.

In fact, it would remain a natural rock, even after the carving takes place.

You seem to suggest it could only be a carved stone column if the substance of the carving was not natural stone.
Confusion in definitions. We would define a natural rock as one that has only natural weathering and no artificial alterations.
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Don't need to google; I went to Egypt a little over a month ago. The carvings there are just incredible.
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I also don't understand why you think the symetrical points can't be seen. There are thousands of symetrical points in view on both sides of the object. (Simply because there are still points out of view, does not mean you shouldn't consider the numerous points that are in view). In a single view, there will always be points of a 3-dimensional object that can not be seen.

The many symetrical points are there for you to see if you simply look. A few are even labeled. I've noted several for you.
I would disagree. You have drawn some lines on an irregular looking rock and called them symetrical points.
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I suggest you look at this picture and you will see it's just a normal (uncarved) rock.

BTW, blowing up jpeg's are not a good way to analyze photos.
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Old 25-May-2004, 10:42 PM
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Default This is another colorized version of the same stone

This image was cut from a larger panoramic image from the Keith Laney site. This is an image that he colorized, and I think it is interesting.

The website source of the larger panoramic image is:

http://www.keithlaney.com/spirit_color_images.htm


This is the cut out version which I uploaded to the web so you can see the specific rock at issue:

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Old 26-May-2004, 07:19 AM
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Looks quite different now.
Now I can actually see... a colorized rock. #-o
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Old 26-May-2004, 11:41 AM
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As hard as I try all I see is a rock.
(I work with images every day and use high edit editing software.)
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Old 26-May-2004, 03:01 PM
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I have drawn a yellow line through the object to divide it so that you can see where the dividing symetrical line should be.
Call me crazy, but shouldn't a line of symmetry be, in fact, a line? As in one straight line? Your "line of symmetry" is a hodgepodge zigzag through the features on the rock. That in itself is a very strong indication there is no intentional symmetry to the rock, but it is an artifact of your imagination, picking and choosing what you want to be.

A look at your marked "symmetrical points" shows they don't look very symmetrical at all. The top of your image, the left side has a smooth curve, the right has a step function - it zigzags. That's not symmetry by any definition I'm familiar with. Your second points down from the top, one is a smooth edge and the other is a corner. Symmetry? How?

The two points at the top of the face region, first they are dramatically offset from the features above. Second, they don't correspond well in size - the right corner is longer and higher than the left.

There's only an eye socket on the left, the right has filled in texture. Maybe he's a Borg, but otherwise I can't see symmetry of two eyes.

There's no nose, which you point out, but where the nose should be you shift the "symmetry line" over to the ri