Chatroom
 

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum > Science and Space > Astronomy
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

   

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 06-June-2004, 04:15 PM
Krevel Krevel is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Stark, New Hampshire
Posts: 165
Default Is my Meteorite worth Anything?

I have a meteorite that my dad found a few years ago while hunting in upstate New York. It's about the size of a child's fist and has the look of pumice. It also has some slivers of wood embedded in it; it clipped off a bunch of tree branches as it fell.

Is this thing worth anything - either scientifically or monetarily? Who would I contact to find out more?

Thanks for any replies.
__________________
Two things we know are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And we're not sure about the universe.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 06-June-2004, 05:20 PM
aurora's Avatar
aurora aurora is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 3,070
Default

It does not sound like a meteorite, likely it is something else.

You can take it, or a small piece of it, to a collector or a university that specializes, and they can validate it.

You might want to get a book on meteorites in the library first, and see if it looks like any of the pictures in the book.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 06-June-2004, 09:31 PM
Krevel Krevel is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Stark, New Hampshire
Posts: 165
Default

It looks like the one on the left in this picture: http://www.meteorites.com/

It definitely fell from the sky. My dad found it at the base of a tree after seeing a bunch of branches that were sheared from the trunk - hence the wood splinters embedded in it. I'm not aware of any active volcanoes in upstate New York :wink: , so I must consider that it is likely a meteorite.

Can anyone recommend a University or museum near me (northern NH) that could tell me more? I really don't want to go through one of these internet merchants.
__________________
Two things we know are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And we're not sure about the universe.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 06-June-2004, 11:01 PM
beskeptical beskeptical is offline
Order of Kilopi
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,308
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krevel
It looks like the one on the left in this picture: http://www.meteorites.com/

It definitely fell from the sky. My dad found it at the base of a tree after seeing a bunch of branches that were sheared from the trunk - hence the wood splinters embedded in it. I'm not aware of any active volcanoes in upstate New York :wink: , so I must consider that it is likely a meteorite.

Can anyone recommend a University or museum near me (northern NH) that could tell me more? I really don't want to go through one of these internet merchants.
Wood cannot become imbedded in a meteorite. The melting surface of the meteorite is less than a millimeter thick.

There are only extremely rare meteorites with vaccules. Vaccules are tiny bubbles of air or gasses. No meteorites look like pumice.

Lots of rocks look like the pictures of meteorites but don't look like in person views.

Is it attracted by a magnet?
Is it exceptionally heavy?
Can you see metal in it or is it mostly metal?
Does it have a fusion crust? Fusion crust looks like some volcanic rock surfaces but only the thinnest bit of the surface looks like it melted.

Try to find a nearby museum or University with meteorite samples. Many Universities have a prof. or two that will look at it for you. Sometimes they are in the geology department rather than the astronomy department.

I'm having a hard time picturing the 'wood embedded' thing. Could you describe the rock in more detail?
__________________
~~ ><>><> ~~ ><,,> ><,,> ...`;=;p d;=;' /\/\^/\ ^^ ^/\/\_
Democracy Now! - The lost art of investigative news reporting.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 07-June-2004, 01:39 AM
Jpax2003 Jpax2003 is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,717
Default

It could just be a piece of slag.
__________________
"Oh no no no I'm a rocket man Rocket man burning out his fuse up here alone." -- Sir Elton John

J Pax
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 07-June-2004, 03:03 AM
Monoxide Child's Avatar
Monoxide Child Monoxide Child is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Peoria, Arizona
Posts: 158
Send a message via AIM to Monoxide Child Send a message via Yahoo to Monoxide Child
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krevel
It looks like the one on the left in this picture: http://www.meteorites.com/

It definitely fell from the sky. My dad found it at the base of a tree after seeing a bunch of branches that were sheared from the trunk - hence the wood splinters embedded in it.
Well, last time I was in New York, I threw a lot of rocks at trees. Hopefully the two aren't connected :P
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 07-June-2004, 10:47 PM
Krevel Krevel is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Stark, New Hampshire
Posts: 165
Default

I was just reminded of it as I read about the big meteor sighting in Washington state. Unfortunately, I moved recently and can't seem to remember where I put the damn thing! Probably, it's in one of those boxes in the attic - arrrg. When I find it I'll post a photo.

It is rather heavy and does have what you might call a "fusion crust". When I said it looks like pumice, I meant that it has some bubble type structures - it's definitely much heavier than pumice though.

It has wood specks on it because, as previously mentioned, it hit a tree as it fell. That's how my dad found it: he saw this tree with a bunch of limbs clipped off of one side and thought "What the heck did that?" (In the santized version). He then found this 'object' at the base of the tree. He wouldn't make that up.

I've come to expect an obscene level of scepticism on this board, but the question is: how does slag fall outta the sky? Blame Canada, eh?
__________________
Two things we know are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And we're not sure about the universe.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 07-June-2004, 11:32 PM
aurora's Avatar
aurora aurora is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 3,070
Default

Well, the short answer is, yes, if it is a meteorite then it is worth something.

You'll still have to take it to an expert, though, to get it verified. We can't know for sure what you have from the textual description.

I know that some of the books on meteorites in the library list contacts or resources for getting an expert opinion.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 08-June-2004, 12:50 AM
Russ's Avatar
Russ Russ is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Southern Ohio
Posts: 1,583
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krevel
It looks like the one on the left in this picture: http://www.meteorites.com/
If it looks like that, there is a good chance that it is a meteorite but there is room for doubt.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krevel
Can anyone recommend a University or museum near me (northern NH) that could tell me more? I really don't want to go through one of these internet merchants.
As near as I can tell, there is no institution near you, so to speak. The only institution, "near" you was UN @ Durham and they didn't have much. So I shot over to Harvard, near Boston, and had a look around. I didn't have time to do a thorough search but you may find someone at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics who can either help you or point you to someone who can. Try here http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/cfa/ps/mpc.html The HCfAP is a world class institution, so you may have a hard time getting a response. Remember that persistance pays.

If it turns out that you really have a meteorite, it may be worth about $100 per ounce. I attend star parties and other astronomy based gatherings and that seems to be about the going retail rate. Yours' may be worth more or less depending on variables I don't understand, so I suggest you ask around.

Good Luck!
__________________
It's just one of those damn things of which there are many few. -- Dan Blocker
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 08-June-2004, 08:47 PM
tjm220's Avatar
tjm220 tjm220 is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 592
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krevel
...I've come to expect an obscene level of scepticism on this board, but the question is: how does slag fall outta the sky? Blame Canada, eh?
:wink: Hey we're friendly up here, we don't throw that many rocks at our US neighbors.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 08-June-2004, 11:05 PM
Krevel Krevel is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Stark, New Hampshire
Posts: 165
Default

Thanks to all, especially to Russ.

I think I'll try someone at Dartmouth. My sister lives near there, and I imagine they must have a geology department.

Now, if I can just find it!
__________________
Two things we know are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And we're not sure about the universe.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 11-June-2004, 10:19 PM
beskeptical beskeptical is offline
Order of Kilopi
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,308
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krevel
I was just reminded of it as I read about the big meteor sighting in Washington state. Unfortunately, I moved recently and can't seem to remember where I put the damn thing! Probably, it's in one of those boxes in the attic - arrrg. When I find it I'll post a photo.
Wouldn't you know it? I hope you find it because now I'm curious.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krevel
It is rather heavy and does have what you might call a "fusion crust". When I said it looks like pumice, I meant that it has some bubble type structures - it's definitely much heavier than pumice though.
If those bubble type structures are just on the surface and look like part of the fusion crust, that could be a meteorite. If they are larger, like thumb prints, that could be a meteorite. If they are tiny and through and through, like volcanic rocks, that probably won't be a meteorite.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krevel
It has wood specks on it because, as previously mentioned, it hit a tree as it fell. That's how my dad found it: he saw this tree with a bunch of limbs clipped off of one side and thought "What the heck did that?" (In the santized version). He then found this 'object' at the base of the tree. He wouldn't make that up.
Didn't think he made it up. I did wonder though, how he was sure the rock caused the tree damage? Wood specks are different from what I pictured when you said pieces of wood. Wood specks in a real meteorite from crashing through a tree would make it very unusual and therefore more valuable. The car the Peekskill Meteorite fell through sold for 20 or 30 thousand US dollars. I wonder if the tree is still there.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krevel
I've come to expect an obscene level of scepticism on this board, but the question is: how does slag fall outta the sky? Blame Canada, eh?
Skepticism is not a bad thing. [-X

No doubt there are many unrecognized meteorites lying about in people's rock collections. But they are still quite unusual finds. I have several purchased meteorites and quite a few very unusual rocks that weren't meteorites but were definitely close enough to take to the U of WA to have them looked at. That's where I found the geology dept was more help than the astronomy department.

No matter what it is, it's still great fun to examine an unusual rock. I have lots of fantastic rocks that aren't meteorites and I love them just as much. :P

As to value, nickel-irons are the least valuable. A hand size rock with an intact fusion crust would be somewhere between $500 and $1,000. The same size meteorite but of Martian origin might be $40,000 to $50,000 depending on how you sliced and sold it. Lunar rocks are more valuable. The Alan Hills meteorite that might have Martian microfossils would probably auction off for millions if it were ever sold.

You can look on the net for meteorites for sale and get a good idea.

Keep us posted.
__________________
~~ ><>><> ~~ ><,,> ><,,> ...`;=;p d;=;' /\/\^/\ ^^ ^/\/\_
Democracy Now! - The lost art of investigative news reporting.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 11-June-2004, 11:05 PM
The Bad Astronomer's Avatar
The Bad Astronomer The Bad Astronomer is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Boulder, Colorado, USA
Posts: 8,650
Default

Hi-

First off, I'll say that the vast majority of people who think they have found a meteorite really haven't. This is just to prepare you in case it isn't.

Here is a site about false meteorites, and here is a guide to figuring out if you have a meteorite or not.

I know a little about this; I collect iron meteorites. Do you have an image of it you could post here, or link to? I'd like to see it. I also have a friend who is an expert; I could send it to him, or send him here to this board to take a look.
__________________
Phil Plait
The Bad Astronomer
http://www.badastronomy.com
badastro@badastronomy.com
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 12-June-2004, 01:46 AM
Krevel Krevel is offline
Established Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Stark, New Hampshire
Posts: 165
Default

Aaarg. This is becoming a sore subject with me, as I spent an hour up in the attic (phew is it HOT up there!) going through boxes trying to find it - no luck. I did find a lot of stuff that will soon be posted on ebay, however. :-? There are many more boxes to go. I'll post a pict when I find it. It's one of those things that I put in a 'special' place when I was moving and then promptly forgot where that was! Yes, I am a moron.
__________________
Two things we know are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And we're not sure about the universe.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 12-June-2004, 04:07 AM
PhantomWolf's Avatar
PhantomWolf PhantomWolf is offline
Order of Kilopi
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base
Posts: 5,663
Send a message via ICQ to PhantomWolf Send a message via AIM to PhantomWolf Send a message via MSN to PhantomWolf Send a message via Yahoo to PhantomWolf
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krevel
Aaarg. This is becoming a sore subject with me, as I spent an hour up in the attic (phew is it HOT up there!) going through boxes trying to find it - no luck. I did find a lot of stuff that will soon be posted on ebay, however. :-? There are many more boxes to go. I'll post a pict when I find it. It's one of those things that I put in a 'special' place when I was moving and then promptly forgot where that was! Yes, I am a moron.
Don't beat yourself up too much about it, we all do that sort of thing. I have a prestine handmade clay ink-bottle that I haven't seen for 20 years somewhere. It's still in a box after a move, lol.
__________________
Howling from the Shadows

It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. --- JayUtah

You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational belief. --- Noclevername

Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 12-June-2004, 10:55 PM
beskeptical beskeptical is offline
Order of Kilopi
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,308
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bad Astronomer
Hi-

First off, I'll say that the vast majority of people who think they have found a meteorite really haven't. This is just to prepare you in case it isn't.

Here is a site about false meteorites, and here is a guide to figuring out if you have a meteorite or not.

I know a little about this; I collect iron meteorites. Do you have an image of it you could post here, or link to? I'd like to see it. I also have a friend who is an expert; I could send it to him, or send him here to this board to take a look.
Gee thanks, Phil. Those are the best ID sites I've seen.
__________________
~~ ><>><> ~~ ><,,> ><,,> ...`;=;p d;=;' /\/\^/\ ^^ ^/\/\_
Democracy Now! - The lost art of investigative news reporting.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT. The time now is 12:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.0.0
©  2006 Bad Astronomy and Universe Today