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Old 17-June-2004, 02:32 AM
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Default meteorite impact said to have been sighted in Australia.

another meteorite, this one said to be 'house-sized' was seen hitting the ground in New South Wales next to the Hume Highway near Menangle close to Sydney: news article

don't know about the 'house-size', 'explosion on impact' and 'very difficult to find' combination, a house sized meteorite (3 or 4 bedrooms?) would leave a fairly sizeable crater...

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don't know about the 'house-size', 'explosion on impact' and 'very difficult to find' combination, a house sized meteorite (3 or 4 bedrooms?) would leave a fairly sizeable crater...
That's what I'm thinking. Doesn't matter if they find the rock, but I'm sure someone would be able to "stumble" into the crater it left, being as big as a house.
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Default House sized meteorite...

Wouldn't the crater from a House sized rock be large?
How can you not "stumble" over it? I personaly thing it was a plane that went down, not a Meteorite.

Something that big would leave a good sized dent, no?
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Old 17-June-2004, 02:44 AM
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I personaly thing it was a plane that went down, not a Meteorite.
the area seems to be close to Sydney airport, so a plane, though possible, would not have been unnoticed.
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Default Not a commercial..

but a private plane.
Alot of times private planes go down un-noticed, even nearby an airport. One of my neighbers was flying his plane around Grand Junction, and it wen't down. The airport is only a few miles outside of GJ, but they had no idea that it happened.

I'm not saying it wasn't a meteorite, but if it was, I think the "House sized" big may have been exagerated.
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Old 17-June-2004, 03:29 AM
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Given a house sized meteorite would make a very large impact crater (from memory the Barringer Crater impactor was roughly house-sized, no?) and that Menangle is just to the southwest of a city of 4 million and right by a satellite city of Sydney (Campbelltown) yet no-one else noticed a shockwave that flattened their outdoor dunny, my guess is that the motorist saw a fireball and mistook the size of it due to the brightness.

Unless it was a doll's house, maybe? :wink:


(edited to note that the Barringer Crater impactor has been estimated as 150ft in diameter - a very rich man's house perhaps!)
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Unless it was a doll's house, maybe? :wink:
maybe an out-house? :-s
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Unless it was a doll's house, maybe? :wink:
maybe an out-house? :-s
Maybe! That would explain why the police officer described the motorist as 'flushed'!
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Default Impact Effects of a House Sized Meteor

Well, I just ran an impact calculation at the Impact Effects website and found that a house-sized stony meteorite (10m dia) coming in at asteroid velocity (17 km/s) would make a crater with a final diameter of 539m. Pretty hard to miss it. The seismic effect would be Richter Magnitude 3.7, and the energy release would be 50 kilotons of TNT. Hard to miss that, also.

Even a 1m dia meteorite would create a 124m dia crater. Maybe they overestimated the size by a couple of orders of magnitude. [-X
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Well, I just ran an impact calculation at the Impact Effects website and found that a house-sized stony meteorite (10m dia) coming in at asteroid velocity (17 km/s) would make a crater with a final diameter of 539m. Pretty hard to miss it. The seismic effect would be Richter Magnitude 3.7, and the energy release would be 50 kilotons of TNT. Hard to miss that, also.

Even a 1m dia meteorite would create a 124m dia crater. Maybe they overestimated the size by a couple of orders of magnitude. [-X
Perhaps someone was into the Fosters?
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Perhaps someone was into the Fosters?
are you suggesting people drink and drive Down Under??
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are you suggesting people drink and drive Down Under??
I'd consider the probability higher than an impacting object of that size magically evading detection.

More likely still is a simpler explanation.
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More likely still is a simpler explanation.
being?
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being?
I never professed to know the answer; based upon the limited, uncorroborated information in the article it's rather difficult to conclusively ascertain. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd propose the idea of someone being mistaken, concerning the nature of the object or the size.

Recall what happened in Washington recently regarding such an event.
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So far, google news search only brings up the one news article. I'll be withholding judgement about a meteorite but I'm pretty close to ruling out 'a house-sized' meteorite. It would definitely have had a seismic impact. The NEIC earthquake website doesn't show anything 3.0 or bigger in Australia.
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being?
I never professed to know the answer; based upon the limited, uncorroborated information in the article it's rather difficult to conclusively ascertain. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd propose the idea of someone being mistaken, concerning the nature of the object or the size.

Recall what happened in Washington recently regarding such an event.
hehe... now i see what you mean. yes, the thought had also crossed my mind. hence the title of my thread...
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"We went out to check if it was something bad, like a plane," said a police spokesman.

"However we didn't find anything - there was no bloody great rock sitting in the middle of the highway, anyway".
Pretty laid-back language, these police spokesmen from Oz... ;-)
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"We went out to check if it was something bad, like a plane," said a police spokesman.

"However we didn't find anything - there was no bloody great rock sitting in the middle of the highway, anyway".
Pretty laid-back language, these police spokesmen from Oz... ;-)
Whaddayamean, laid back?? That's a formal Australian Federal Police Force communique! :wink:
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"We went out to check if it was something bad, like a plane," said a police spokesman.

"However we didn't find anything - there was no bloody great rock sitting in the middle of the highway, anyway".
Pretty laid-back language, these police spokesmen from Oz... ;-)
Whaddayamean, laid back?? That's a formal Australian Federal Police Force communique! :wink:
So he also waved with a beer bottle in his hand while giving the statement?
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to my surprise there's quite a number of people in Australia that actually speak like Steve Irwin! especially in Queensland....

and since i soak up dialects like a sponge, i now speak with a very distinct ozzie accent... #-o
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So he also waved with a beer bottle in his hand while giving the statement?
Geez, Harald - the man's not a camel!!
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to my surprise there's quite a number of people in Australia that actually speak like Steve Irwin!
[Sideshow Bob tremor of exasperation/revulsion] :x [/Sideshow Bob tremor of exasperation/revulsion]
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hehe... now i see what you mean. yes, the thought had also crossed my mind. hence the title of my thread...
:-s Where did you think I was headed?
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i had no idea... 8-[
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"We went out to check if it was something bad, like a plane," said a police spokesman.

"However we didn't find anything - there was no bloody great rock sitting in the middle of the highway, anyway".
Pretty laid-back language, these police spokesmen from Oz... ;-)
Whaddayamean, laid back?? That's a formal Australian Federal Police Force communique! :wink:
Careful what you say, AGN Fuel! That would have been a New South Wales copper making that statement.

Anyway, it does remind me of the car commercial:

Somewhere in the dusty outback, a man is surveying the straightness of a fence. He steps back and bumps into a giant termite mound. After a quiet obscenity, he secures a rope around the mound and ties the loose end to his 4 wheel drive. The 4WD's powers are demonstrated as it slowly hauls the mound out of the line of the fence. The man mumbles his satisfaction, and is about to restart his fencing job when -

WHAM!

- a rock about 5 metres in diameter slams into the ground, right where the termite mound had been. Thus the fence path is blocked again.

The man sighs, pulls out the rope again and mutters, "No worries."
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The man sighs, pulls out the rope again and mutters, "No worries."
must've been a 'Cruiser...

anyway... sanity returns: article.

normal explanations are now appearing on the news...
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An excellent example detailing why anecdote yields no scientific value.

Thanks for the follow-up.
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Australia has has many meteor falls, some large, and some have made little or no crater; it depends ofn the speed, angle of incidence, and whether it breaks up in mid-air.

Having said that almost no observer could accurately judge the size of a meteor while it is in the air, so there is no reason to accept that this was as big as a house.
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Vince Ford, an astronomical research officer at Mount Stromlo Observatory in Canberra, said the man may have seen a meteorite, although it wouldn't have been the size of a house.

``If it was the size of a house, it would have left a 3- kilometer wide crater,'' Ford said. ``He has probably seen a rocky meteorite, the size of a tennis ball, that exploded about 10 kilometers up in the atmosphere and left a spectacular blaze behind it.''
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