If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum > Space and Astronomy > Astronomy
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
LinkBack (1) Thread Tools Display Modes
  #3091 (permalink)  
Old 25-July-2007, 05:44 AM
Arneb's Avatar
Arneb Arneb is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Aachen, Germany
Posts: 2,234
Default

I am hungry!
__________________
Non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem.
Reply With Quote
  #3092 (permalink)  
Old 25-July-2007, 11:13 AM
hhEb09'1's Avatar
hhEb09'1 hhEb09'1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: NC USA
Posts: 7,607
Default

Sorry, I fell asleep.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arneb View Post
I am hungry!
The first course is served. There's a constellation in your soup. Which one?
Reply With Quote
  #3093 (permalink)  
Old 25-July-2007, 04:58 PM
Eroica's Avatar
Eroica Eroica is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Dubh Linn
Posts: 3,611
Default

Musca
__________________
- Learn a lot teaching others.
Reply With Quote
  #3094 (permalink)  
Old 25-July-2007, 07:17 PM
hhEb09'1's Avatar
hhEb09'1 hhEb09'1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: NC USA
Posts: 7,607
Default

No charge for the extra protein. You're up

PS: a pause for a commercial: The 5th Annual Astronomy Challenge announcement

Last edited by hhEb09'1 : 26-July-2007 at 12:10 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #3095 (permalink)  
Old 26-July-2007, 01:41 PM
Eroica's Avatar
Eroica Eroica is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Dubh Linn
Posts: 3,611
Default

Thanks.

It is well known that one of the great triumphs of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity came in 1919 when measurements of the deflection of starlight by the Sun's gravity were found to be in agreement with Einstein's predictions.

What is not so well known is that Newton's Theory of Universal Gravitation also predicted the deflection of starlight by the Sun's gravity! And unknown to Einstein, an astronomer actually calculated the amount of that deflection (for a star appearing next to the solar limb during an eclipse).

Who was that astronomer? (Bonus points: When did he make the calculation, and what was the amount of deflection predicted?)
__________________
- Learn a lot teaching others.
Reply With Quote
  #3096 (permalink)  
Old 26-July-2007, 09:02 PM
ozark1 ozark1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 319
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eroica View Post
Thanks.

It is well known that one of the great triumphs of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity came in 1919 when measurements of the deflection of starlight by the Sun's gravity were found to be in agreement with Einstein's predictions.

What is not so well known is that Newton's Theory of Universal Gravitation also predicted the deflection of starlight by the Sun's gravity! And unknown to Einstein, an astronomer actually calculated the amount of that deflection (for a star appearing next to the solar limb during an eclipse).

Who was that astronomer? (Bonus points: When did he make the calculation, and what was the amount of deflection predicted?)
Johann von Soldner, 1801, 2m/r0 or about 0.875¨. Einsteinś initial paper came up with the same result (1911) and he was accused of plagiarism. The corrected prediction was 1.75¨ (1915). The 1919 results weren´t actually good to prove this but no one noticed
Reply With Quote
  #3097 (permalink)  
Old 27-July-2007, 08:24 AM
crosscountry's Avatar
crosscountry crosscountry is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Texan in Texas
Posts: 4,431
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ozark1 View Post
Johann von Soldner, 1801, 2m/r0 or about 0.875¨. Einsteinś initial paper came up with the same result (1911) and he was accused of plagiarism. The corrected prediction was 1.75¨ (1915). The 1919 results weren´t actually good to prove this but no one noticed

do you have a Spanish keyboard? some of those characters are hard to make with an English one.
__________________
I've met ngc3314


"I will do my best to understand and explain the universe from big to small without invoking miracles, unrepeatable events, or divine intervention. In place of those things I will use observations, mathematics, and science."


-Cross
My travel blog

Some of my Astrophotography


Those that lack education have a hard time understanding its value. - Cross
Reply With Quote
  #3098 (permalink)  
Old 27-July-2007, 10:50 AM
Eroica's Avatar
Eroica Eroica is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Dubh Linn
Posts: 3,611
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ozark1 View Post
Johann von Soldner, 1801, 2m/r0 or about 0.875¨. Einsteinś initial paper came up with the same result (1911) and he was accused of plagiarism. The corrected prediction was 1.75¨ (1915). The 1919 results weren´t actually good to prove this but no one noticed
Correct!
__________________
- Learn a lot teaching others.
Reply With Quote
  #3099 (permalink)  
Old 27-July-2007, 01:57 PM
hhEb09'1's Avatar
hhEb09'1 hhEb09'1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: NC USA
Posts: 7,607
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ozark1 View Post
and he was accused of plagiarism.
He was accused of plagiarism at the time? Isn't that calculation sorta simple?

PS: no, he was not accused of plagiarism at the time.

Abraham Pais says that Soldner's paper was entirely unknown to the physics community until 1921, when Nobelist Philipp Lenard reproduced it in an attempt to discredit Einstein, and prevent him from winning a Nobel Prize. Apparently, Lenard was a Nazi, and critical of "non-German" science. Still, that is years later, after Einstein had already changed the calculations.

Last edited by hhEb09'1 : 27-July-2007 at 02:31 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3100 (permalink)  
Old 27-July-2007, 03:38 PM
ozark1 ozark1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 319
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by crosscountry View Post
do you have a Spanish keyboard? some of those characters are hard to make with an English one.
No just Linux. It doesn´t like apostrophes or full stops.
Reply With Quote
  #3101 (permalink)  
Old 27-July-2007, 04:07 PM
ozark1 ozark1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 319
Default

How many me does it require to change a rudder? (It´s a given that there is one spacesuit)
Reply With Quote
  #3102 (permalink)  
Old 30-July-2007, 06:08 PM
Arneb's Avatar
Arneb Arneb is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Aachen, Germany
Posts: 2,234
Default

Dang, I missed all those astronomy questions!
__________________
Non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem.
Reply With Quote
  #3103 (permalink)  
Old 02-August-2007, 07:03 PM
Arneb's Avatar
Arneb Arneb is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Aachen, Germany
Posts: 2,234
Default

Hmmm, maybe it's time for a really good hint or a question that is a bit less arcane and more obviously astronomy-related?
__________________
Non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem.
Reply With Quote
  #3104 (permalink)  
Old 05-August-2007, 10:00 PM
Dave Mitsky's Avatar
Dave Mitsky Dave Mitsky is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,843
Default

ozark1 are you there?

Dave Mitsky
__________________
Chance favors the prepared mind.
De gustibus non est disputandum.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Reply With Quote
  #3105 (permalink)  
Old 06-August-2007, 12:56 PM
Eroica's Avatar
Eroica Eroica is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Dubh Linn
Posts: 3,611
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ozark1 View Post
How many me does it require to change a rudder? (It´s a given that there is one spacesuit)
Seven: one to change the rudder, and half a dozen to figure out what the heck you're talking about!
__________________
- Learn a lot teaching others.
Reply With Quote
  #3106 (permalink)  
Old 06-August-2007, 03:16 PM
ozark1 ozark1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 319
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eroica View Post
Seven: one to change the rudder, and half a dozen to figure out what the heck you're talking about!
Eroica

Down the right lines. To be honest I did expect someone to know a bit of classic Polish scifi.

Anyhow - a quick question in lieu...

Which spacecraft was unsinkable?
Reply With Quote
  #3107 (permalink)  
Old 08-August-2007, 02:44 AM
Superluminal's Avatar
Superluminal Superluminal is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,402
Default

Ivan "Gus" Grissom's "Molly Brown."
__________________
I'm not a scientist, but I play one on the internet.
http://www.rrac.org
Reply With Quote
  #3108 (permalink)  
Old 08-August-2007, 05:05 AM
big alfie's Avatar
big alfie big alfie is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: seattle
Posts: 2
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Halcyon Dayz View Post
M'kay.

What is the Japanese name of the Pleiads?
Subaru...
Reply With Quote
  #3109 (permalink)  
Old 08-August-2007, 05:05 AM
big alfie's Avatar
big alfie big alfie is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: seattle
Posts: 2
Default

The name of the 10m scope on Mauna Kea...
Reply With Quote
  #3110 (permalink)  
Old 08-August-2007, 05:22 AM
ozark1 ozark1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 319
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Superluminal View Post
Ivan "Gus" Grissom's "Molly Brown."
Yes - aka Gemini 3

Superluminal´s turn
Reply With Quote
  #3111 (permalink)  
Old 08-August-2007, 08:15 AM
Arneb's Avatar
Arneb Arneb is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Aachen, Germany
Posts: 2,234
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by big alfie View Post
The name of the 10m scope on Mauna Kea...
Keck. And welcome to the forum, big alfie. I suspect, however, that you were posting an answer to this question, which was posted 26 months ago. The quiz has progressed a bit since...

At the moment, we'll all have to wait for Superluminal to post his question. So curious.
__________________
Non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem.
Reply With Quote