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Old 10-July-2005, 03:48 PM
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I'll take this pause to remind everyone that it's almost time for the fourth annual Astronomy Challenge. You can study the first one, or the second one, or the third one if you want to prepare. The usual prizes.
I'd post it now, but I'm still stuck on one of the questions.
This is the prize?

Poster who finally has all the right answers will be awarded the Raison of Mental Merit, and a dinner, fro[m] me.

How do you swing that? Sounds like a good idea...I have a feeling Arneb and others will be very game for it. The winner can wear the "The 4th Annual Astronomy Challenge Raison of Mental Merit Award" in their signature. You will post it in Astronomy, won't you? (not that I'll bother trying, lol)
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I'll take this pause to remind everyone that it's almost time for the fourth annual Astronomy Challenge. You can study the first one, or the second one, or the third one if you want to prepare. The usual prizes.
I'd post it now, but I'm still stuck on one of the questions.
This is the prize?

Poster who finally has all the right answers will be awarded the Raison of Mental Merit, and a dinner, fro[m] me.
Uh, as usual, you are the first one to notice that typo. However, the corrected version does not have an "m".
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All three previous Challenges have been moved to General Astronomy, and the fourth will appear there as well.
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I was going to say Nucleus, but your hint seems to rule that out. ](*,)
Indeed -
The binocular object has no proper name (like "Hercules" ) ; it is usually referred to by its catalogue number.
The ultramicroscopic object can be construed as a "species", and the denomination of that species is identical to the catalogue designation of the object in our Northern hemisphere summer nightsky.

That was more than one hint
I was going to guess The Saturn Nebula, which is H IV I in Herschel's catalogue. (HIV I, the AIDS virus being the ultramicroscopic object), but it has a name and it's in the southern hemisphere! ](*,)

What about H IV 2? Dang, that's called "Hubble's Variable Nebula"! ](*,)
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This is the prize?

Poster who finally has all the right answers will be awarded the Raison of Mental Merit, and a dinner, fro[m] me.

How do you swing that?
I think the correction should be not "from", but "for". A Thousand Pardons has a dinner in the winner's honor. I expect the winner would probably be welcome to actually attend, but I believe that travel expenses are not included in the prize.
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Old 10-July-2005, 05:21 PM
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I was going to guess The Saturn Nebula, which is H IV I in Herschel's catalogue. (HIV I, the AIDS virus being the ultramicroscopic object), but it has a name and it's in the southern hemisphere! ](*,)

What about H IV 2? Dang, that's called "Hubble's Variable Nebula"! ](*,)
Whoa, Eroica, you do find ingenous solutions! Indeed, the two are not what I tought of, but cheers for these suggestions! =D>
I believed that the solution I have in mind would be the only coincident identity in designations, but you proved me wrong here.

Thinking of things like HIV is a good line of search. And I did put a hint as to the location of the celestial object...
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This is the prize?

Poster who finally has all the right answers will be awarded the Raison of Mental Merit, and a dinner, fro[m] me.

How do you swing that?
I think the correction should be not "from", but "for". A Thousand Pardons has a dinner in the winner's honor. I expect the winner would probably be welcome to actually attend, but I believe that travel expenses are not included in the prize.
Lol, yes, I got that the dinner was a transposition of for, but the dinner should be from him. :wink:

(Believe it or not, I'm not as dumb as you think)
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No, Grey is right, as usual.
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No, Grey is right, as usual.
No, the dinner should be from you. That would be a much better prize. You could mail a nice, fat gift certificate from the money you "won." :roll:
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I know Grey is right.

Besides, all proceeds from the challenge have always gone to the winner, of course. Less expenses.
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I know Grey is right.

Besides, all proceeds from the challenge have always gone to the winner, of course. Less expenses.
We're on two different planets, ATP, stop taking things so literally! Geesh. 8)
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Old 10-July-2005, 06:31 PM
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I know Grey is right.

Besides, all proceeds from the challenge have always gone to the winner, of course. Less expenses.
We're on two different planets, ATP, stop taking things so literally! Geesh. 8)
Ahem - any questions or answers for the actual Quiz?
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I get .318 x my 518 billion = 164 billion.

Better? 8-[
Ding, ding, ding. Congrats! You are our new winner (give or take a billion galaxies).
Yeah right, we will not bicker about the small change, will we? :wink:

I'll tra to retaliate with a Bad one without any mathematics in it (only a number): There is a structure in our galaxy that shares its most commonly used name with one of the smallest objects known in our biosphere.

Hint: You need a good pair of binoculars to see the former, an electron microscope to see the latter.

And with that: A very good night, everyone.
So maybe NGC6229 H IV 50 ? A globular in Hercules
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So maybe NGC6229 H IV 50 ? A globular in Hercules
Clooooose. But no cigar. There is no HIV 50 virus, by the way.

Edited to add: Not all viruses are human-pathogenic
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Wow, what a tough one Arneb. Are you a microbiologist by an chance?

There is a bacteriophage known as M13 which is apparently used for cloning and gene therapy research. Most of us would recognize the term as a globular cluster in Hercules.
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Isn't that commonly known as the Great Hercules Cluster though?
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Isn't that commonly known as the Great Hercules Cluster though?

Well, I guess one could quibble as to what the "most" common name of the cluster might be. As I was looking for some images of the M13 bacteriophage, I was sort of hoping that it would vaguely resemble a globular cluster. But alas, it's filamentary in appearance. So no other similarity besides the designation.

Assuming my answer is correct. And yes, I'm well aware of the common advice about making assumptions. Here's my question:

Let's say you were observing Jupiter through a telescope. You spot shadows cast on the planet's surface by 3 of the 4 Galilean moons. Even if you cannot identify the moons (or their shadows) individually, you can know the identity of 1 of the moons with complete certainty. Which one is it, and why?
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Let's say you were observing Jupiter through a telescope. You spot shadows cast on the planet's surface by 3 of the 4 Galilean moons. Even if you cannot identify the moons (or their shadows) individually, you can know the identity of 1 of the moons with complete certainty. Which one is it, and why?
Io is moving rapidly, or do I have to cogitate for this one?
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George,

Assume you can't discern any movement, or that you are looking at a photograph.
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Assume you can't discern any movement, or that you are looking at a photograph.
Ok. After minor cogiation....one must have an inclined orbital plane. Nope, that can't be it. Darn. I want an easy one.
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