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Old 29-October-2005, 07:46 PM
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Thanks, IMO, for this very entertaining puzzle. I forgot to supply the link where I picked up the Ann Broesgard/M.B. story. Here it is.

I'll have to think about a question fo a bit. I'm in an extended night shift on the intensive care ward (the darn turning back of the clocks this night ) and have none ready. But I won't be long. Maybe there will be a lull furing the later hours.

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Old 30-October-2005, 05:07 AM
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O. K., I've got something.

68 cm aperture Fraunhofer
21 m focal length
130 t
Equatorial mount, double horseshoe design.

Like to observe? Make sure the handful of people having a handling license like you. And -

You'll have to find it first!


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what's the question?

angular resolution?
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Old 30-October-2005, 06:58 PM
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No - The task is to find it! It's a real telescope. From the data you can see it is a pretty unusual telescope, so it should be possible to locate.

A hint: You don't need a peer-reviewd research project to get observing time. However, you will have to contend with some light pollution.
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Named in 1946 after its astronomist founder Friedrich Simon Archenhold, this is Germany’s oldest and largest public observatory and is today a state museum. It was opened in 1896 as part of the big Berlin Trade Exhibition and is distinguished by its 21-meter long refracting telescope, the longest in the world. On February 2, 1915 at the inauguration of a new building, Albert Einstein introduced his theory of relativity here.
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That has to be it.
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Right on !

On you go, Eroica!
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What city was caled The Conqueror after the Planet Mars, which was in the ascendant on the day the city was founded?
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What city was caled The Conqueror after the Planet Mars, which was in the ascendant on the day the city was founded?
Cairo (Al-Qahira)?
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Cairo (Al-Qahira)?
Correct!
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Ok, Cairo...and away we go

Thought I'd fiddle with another riddle, Eroica. [I think you might have gotten the last one (my textbook price) correct, actually, as my constants were off just a smidgen. I'll check that someday soon.]

Allow me to ask of a ratio of two ratios,
One rather interesting, at least I say so
(though I don’t recall it said
from the little that I’ve read)

On both floors resides a jolly hostess – quite a gas..............[evanoconnor and Eroica have it at last]
A denominator to both of two objects, yet they still get past
These limits are known, and even the how,
Though one noble exception is as the sound from a cow [Wow, Eroica and evanoconnor have solved this element now (yet in the ratio it fits how?)]

To follow more closely, take the path of our hostess [adiffer here has helped us]
As this helps define the ratio of one of the mostest

So two objects, in general, you must show,
along with the ratio of their ratios.

A hint I will give, and this riddle would be neater,
if we both would use a thing called meter.


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[Changes: I added Greek to cow, then removed it; purple is added when a component is solved]
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Hmmmm...is it that bad?

Start with the noble exception.

[One place accuracy is unnecessary.]
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Eroica, you were correct in your answer, a while back, at the $6.74 figure (based on 4300K as the surface temperature). [I used 300 million m/s for light's speed and a less accurate Planck constant] oops.

Assuming a cooperative team effort ensues, I would like to have Eroica pitch the next question, if you do not mind. However, if someone simply nails this independently, then they deserve it.
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Working on it.....

Hang on for a sec (all right, time-dilate that).

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\mu_o = 4 \pi x 10^-7 (units of (m kg)/(s s A A))

maybe something to do with the speed of light

noble, and gas, maybe the gas constant, 8.314472 (units of (m m kg)/(s s K mol))
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Old 04-November-2005, 08:21 AM
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Though one noble exception is as the sound from a Greek cow
That was the hint we didn't need (I think most of us copped on you were talking about mu).

Other than that, I'm at a loss.
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Thanks Eroica. I was hoping that was obvious, but I had no tries at it.

Nobility has different ranks, pick the easisest and keep tryin'
(My favorite was a Disney leprechaun named Brian)


I'm using the KISS system, I think. Think of the easiest choices from a given selection.

An easier start might be your jolly hostess - a gas.
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\mu_o = 4 \pi x 10^-7 (units of (m kg)/(s s A A))

maybe something to do with the speed of light

noble, and gas, maybe the gas constant, 8.314472 (units of (m m kg)/(s s K mol))
Hmmmm....

time is not needed,
if the last word is headed
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Another clue, and you don't have to owe me
This isn't subatomic physics, but big astronomy
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Hmmmm....

time is not needed,
if the last word is headed

if 'light' is headed, forgetting time
this just reduces to the length of a line

the astronomical length of this line becomes clear
it is just the distance light travels over one year.



NOTE: what do you think of my attempted verse?
Summing up: one light year may be involved.
1 ly = 9.4605284 × 10^15 meters
1 year = 31 556 926 seconds
c = 299792458 m/s

Additional thoughts

c = 1 / sqrt(\epsilon_o * \mu_o)


Jolly hostess, sun maybe jupiter,
by path of hostess will this invlove keplers third law??
ratio of period squared to semi-major axis cubed?

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