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Old 12-February-2006, 03:26 PM
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Ok. My question has two parts.

A) Some people have suggested that the universe will come to an end when its ever-increasing rate of expansion causes all matter to basically fly apart. What is the term applied to this theory?



B) If it wasn't for me, the Earth would be getting bombarded with asteroids, and terrestrial life would have never evolved as far as it did. What am I?
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Old 15-February-2006, 06:11 PM
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The big rip

You must be the planet Jupiter.
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Old 18-February-2006, 03:32 PM
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Oh superluminal, where art thou? The board thirsteth for your question...
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I was going to look something up that would really stump everybody, but don't look like I'll have time this weekend. So here's something that ought to be easy.

Who discovered the volcanos of Io?
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Old 18-February-2006, 10:49 PM
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The volcanism was detected on images taken with the Voyager I spacecraft. But as for whom? - Hmmmm. The first publication on Io's volcanism is

Strom, R.G., R.J. Terrile, H. Masursky, and C.J. Hansen, "Volcanic Eruption Plumes on Io," Nature, Vol. 280, p. 733, 1979.

So maybe you are talking about these four?
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Partially correct, V1 is the spacecraft, but the name I'm looking for was a member of the navigation team.
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Partially correct, V1 is the spacecraft, but the name I'm looking for was a member of the navigation team.
A woman?
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A woman?
I venture it was: Linda Morabito (today Morabito Keller)
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Arneb got it. Your turn.
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Ah, nice. It's been a while. Another attempt at tormenting you with some - very - amateur astrophotography:

I shot this image near Paks, Hungary, with a 35 mm film SLR and a 50 mm lens. When, exactly (to within five minutes)?
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Well, I'll start the ball rolling. I probably haven't even got the year right:

31 August 2005 at 11:05 am
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how did you not damage your camera? Is Venus that easy to capture?
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Old 21-February-2006, 02:56 PM
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Nope - In fact, the date is quite far off. How did you get the idea, by the way?

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Nope - In fact, the date is quite far off. How did you get the idea, by the way?
I just fiddled with Starry Night until Venus seemed to be in the right position with respect to the Sun.
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That's a nice picture, Arneb. I noticed the sky seems a bit blue; you must have taken it during the day.

Was that day in November?
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Nope - In fact, the date is quite far off. How did you get the idea, by the way?



No problem with the camera.



I'm glad to read that. I would be afraid to take a photo of the sun, even at short exposures.
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OK, I'll have another go.

The horizontal angle of view for 35mm film taken with a 50mm lens is 39.6°.

So, in your photo the angle between Venus and the Sun is about 19.8°?

26 May 2004 at 7:30 am

(There are plenty of more recent dates that might also fit these parameters, but this was the first that caught my eye on the Ephemeris Generator.)
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So, in your photo the angle between Venus and the Sun is about 19.8°?

26 May 2004 at 7:30 am

(There are plenty of more recent dates that might also fit these parameters, but this was the first that caught my eye on the Ephemeris Generator.)
Last year (2005) there were two time periods near that angle: Late Jan and early Feb; May.
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OK, I'll have another go.

The horizontal angle of view for 35mm film taken with a 50mm lens is 39.6°.

So, in your photo the angle between Venus and the Sun is about 19.8°?

26 May 2004 at 7:30 am
Nope again; again, quite far off.

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The horizontal angle of view for 35mm film taken with a 50mm lens is 39.6°.

So, in your photo the angle between Venus and the Sun is about 19.8°?
That seems a good guess and holds a clue to the answer - from watching the simulated sky for the true time the photo was taken [insert evil laughter smiley here], I guessed the angle to be close to 15° - but that was only "pi times thumb" reckoning.

May I venture that some lateral thinking is involved in the solution of the question. This is not an exercise in astronomical image processing, nor was this image taken with anything like astronomical/scientific accuracy in mind. I dare say astronomical software will be essentially useless. As you say, there are many dates with Venus being x ° away from the Sun. The sheer angular separation, even if you could compute ist to 0.x° would never give you a sufficient answer because you do not (and neither do I) know how far Venus was above/below the ecliptic nor do you even know how I held the camera when I shot this photo (did I shoot by hand; is the lower edge parallel to the local horizon? did I shoot from an alt-az mount; an equatorial...?).

May I also say that I think the information I have given in my post - image and text - is both necesessary and sufficient to produce the correct answer.

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