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Rarely nowadays does philosophy inform science. But there is one significant finding in 20th century astronomy that was "dragged into the open", if you will, by the application of philosophy. Which finding is it and who were the persons invlolved?
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No, I wouldn't say that GR stems directly from Mach's philosphy, although of course, Einstein was greatly influenced by his thinking. Relativity theory is very much about clocks and meter sticks and could have been arrived at without knowing about Mach's philosophy.
I am thinking of the application of philosphy leading directly to the setup of a specific experiment resulting in a single experimental result conforming to the philosphical idea. Very specific.
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Ah, here the water gets murky; there is of course a lot of interplay between GR and quantum theory and philosophy - maybe I should therefore state explicitly that the interpretation of GR or quantum theory per se are not what I have in mind.
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Now here is a minority position in today's scientific community (Although I'd agree wholeheartedly). Still, as far as our little puzzle's concerned: A specific philosophical position or statement leading to a specific experiment giving a specific result.
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Philosopher Kant may have been the first to introduce the idea that nebula might be other galaxies. I doubt this fits the specifics point, however.
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That is interesting, although I'd say that Kant didn't develop this idea from a specific philosophical position rather than as a, shall we say, "intra-scientific" hypothesis (AFAIK, Kant was quite literate scientifically and was well versed in Newton's mechanics. My father likes to tell the story that of all the lectures he had to give at the University of Königsberg, Physical Geography was his favourite - for him, who never left Königsberg in his entire life
). Maybe it's time for some hinting (no bludgeoning this time, please, George )The finding involves the numbers 5, 6 and 7. The man who had the idea can be considered a famous astronomer.
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A hint a day keeps the frustration away.
The result has to do with human existence. And since George mentioned Kant (d. 1804): I did say, didn't I, that we are looking for something in the 20th century.
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before i thought that it is going to be related with vinci.And that's Vinci's "vitruvian man" and a similar shape of upland "pyramid" was found on mars in 20th century.
Your hint somehow hasn't compelled me to change my answer.
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With my result, we are quite within the mainstream although (next daily hint) the person who initiated the experiment from a philosophical point of view is not usually associated with "mainstream" today.
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This connenction, to my knowledge, was not there for theories of stallar formation. While one can say that Kant was ultimately proven correct in his hypothesis of stellar formation, one can't say (I think) that the physicists of the 20th century actually had Kant in mind while developing their models.
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LaGrange(?) came up with the idea of accretion disks, but that was science, not philosophy. I'm still thinking.
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O.K., no hint for yesterday (I was offline doing what a new father has to do...)
Let's sumarise: The question: Rarely nowadays does philosophy inform science. But there is one significant finding in 20th century astronomy that was "dragged into the open", if you will, by the application of philosophy. Which finding is it and who were the persons invlolved? The hints so far:
The unphilosophically inclined might say, although I wouldn' share their opinion, that the heuristic principle this astronomer applied was not philosphy at all but simply some common sense and a lot of creative thinking. As a collaborator wrote (no use googling this one; it's a retranslation from the German): "With this discovery, a purely +++physical consideration had, for the first time, directly influenced ***physics. That was tantamount to a sensation. The imagination of X had founded +++***physics. X is the guy who had the idea +++ and *** stand for different disciplines of physics. The philosphy I have in mind is hidden in the +++physics. Now how is that not a dead giveaway.
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