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Old 09-April-2007, 12:16 PM
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The average density of Dark Energy is very - no, completely - constant throughout the Universe (otherwise, it couldn't have the effect of a Cosmological Constant, I guess): 10-26 kg per cubic metre, equivalent to a few hydrogen atoms - In my kitchen and everywhere else. For the Solar system, this translates to the mass of a small asteroid. This one, for example

How convenient that Spektrum der Wissenschaften, the German edition of Scientific American, just published its April edition titled "In the Grip of Dark Energy - The Invisible Hand of the Universe" (Did I get the capitalisation right, Gillianren?). Oh, and why my kitchen, Eroica, and mot my living room?
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Old 09-April-2007, 01:23 PM
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Thanks. Here is the lullaby that we sing to our little son ervery night (only the first three and the last verse). It is a beautiful, beautiful song, but it has a tiny bit of bad astronomy in it - where?
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Old 09-April-2007, 01:50 PM
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seems to be something about this line

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Do you see the moon up there?
You can only see half of it,
all the same, it is round and beautiful.
half of a round and beautiful moon? Also, if it is dusk because the sun just set, and the moon has just risen (per the first line) then it cannot be half.


But truthfully, we can only ever see about 1/2 of the moon


I tried to pick out any differences between the English and German versions, but they were close enough.
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Thanks. Here is the lullaby that we sing to our little son ervery night (only the first three and the last verse). It is a beautiful, beautiful song, but it has a tiny bit of bad astronomy in it - where?
Well, the moon doesn't rise as much as the earth spins down, which brings the moon into view.

The world is not still, but spinning 1000 mph at the equator, plus hurtling through space around the sun at almost 67,000 mph, on average. Not to mention being dragged along by a migrating sun, which itself is being swept along the Orion arm of the galaxy, which is also orbiting its neighbors in the Local Group. If there is anything astronomy has taught us, it is that we are not still.

We can only see half the moon when it's full, which is only one day out of 29. That makes the timing of when to sing a lullaby a tricky matter.

The moon is not perfectly round, but it's close enough for the preschool set.
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Simple, it fails heliochromologically - stars aren't really that golden, including the sun.

Not that the other answers aren't correct, we can't see a full 50% of the moon due to terrain variations.

"Still is the world" is too Geocentric.

I do like the poem.
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No one has mentioned libration, which allows us to see about 59% of the Moon.
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Half moon would not rise at sunset.
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Old 09-April-2007, 04:25 PM
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if it is dusk because the sun just set, and the moon has just risen (per the first line) then it cannot be half.
That's the one, cross - I think the other ideas area bit too nitpicky. Sayings like "half/full moon or "moonrise" or questions of libration shouldn't be held against a poem.

However, in the evening, when you try to sing your children to sleep, you will never ever see a half moon just having risen. You don't sing these songs anymore when they start going to bed at two a.m., now do you?

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Old 09-April-2007, 04:58 PM
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Thanks. Ok, not too tough I hope.


What do these two photos have in common?



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Old 09-April-2007, 05:26 PM
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Neither are there?
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Old 09-April-2007, 05:35 PM
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I can see them fine on several computers???


here are some links

http://photos.crosscountryadventures...album=67&pos=8

http://photos.crosscountryadventures...lbum=67&pos=19

click them once you're on that page to see larger image.



once again, what do these photos have in common?
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Old 09-April-2007, 06:07 PM
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They didn't load when I saw it first, they did now.
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Old 09-April-2007, 09:40 PM
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Perhaps they are centered on the same position? Picture one showing an overview, picture showing - probably - an open star cluster close up (NGC 457 being an option). The relative underexposure of image 1 (even M31, which should be there, I think, is missing) could be used to hide that fact.
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Old 10-April-2007, 04:18 PM
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nothing is hidden although a little quality was lost when I shrunk the first image.

The first exposure was taken with my sony digital with 1x zoom for 30 seconds in eastern Montana.

The second was taken with a ST8 ccd on a 14 inch S-C telescope at my university in St. Louis. I believe 120x zoom, but I'm not sure.



Arneb is along the right direction. And no, they are not centered on the same position.
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Is it Stock 2, the Muscleman (or Bug-Eyed Alien), an asterism in Cassiopeia?
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Old 10-April-2007, 07:21 PM
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I think by that you mean the Owl Cluster already mentioned by Arneb (NGC 457)

nope. keep trying.

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The star cluster in the close-up shot is NGC 869, the western half of the Double Cluster in Perseus.

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Old 11-April-2007, 09:45 AM
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So what the two images have in common would be that they both have the double cluster/ the double cluster's position in the sky in them, despite not being centered on the same position?
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I think by that you mean the Owl Cluster already mentioned by Arneb (NGC 457)
It's moot now, as Dave has correctly identified it, but Stock 2 (OCL 348) is not the same as NGC 457 (OCL 321).
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