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View Poll Results: How many planets, after The Definition comes out?
0 (they refuse to formalize the word Planet) 3 7.32%
8 21 51.22%
9 5 12.20%
10 9 21.95%
11 3 7.32%
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Old 12-August-2005, 10:17 PM
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Default How many planets, after The Definition comes out?

After the IAU shares its wisdom, how many official planets will we have in our solar system?
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Old 12-August-2005, 10:25 PM
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Either 8, or no definition (they have to talk about something on those astro boards after all).

My best guess is 8, though - The Definition will somehow involve near-circularity of orbit and history of formation - thus demoting Pluto/Charon, sadly.
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I think that we'll be up to 11 or more.
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Ten, but the number will rise soon.
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I think that Quaoar will be in immediately as well. Not to mention Sedna, Orcus, and the others.
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8 they're clever people, I don't want to have to remember the name of 300 or more planets
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I have a feeling they will go 10....but I really don't know what I'd like to happen myself. :-?

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The Definition will somehow involve near-circularity of orbit and history of formation - thus demoting Pluto/Charon, sadly.
I disagree....such a definition would be ridiculous. Consider we discover a large Earth to Neptune sized with a high eccentricity? And what about exoplanets?

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I think that Quaoar will be in immediately as well. Not to mention Sedna, Orcus, and the others.
I don't think they will go that far....too many becoming planets at once..

But it was an interesting idea somebody mentioned in a previous post about having:

Rocky inner-planets: Mercury - Mars
Gas planets: Jupiter - Neptune
Kuipter belt planets (or something similar): Pluto and others

It will be very interesting to see what they have to say...

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8 they're clever people, I don't want to have to remember the name of 300 or more planets
Hey, that's no problem, just remember the mnemonic:

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There´s a few thousand planets in this system, according to Argos.
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Forgive my cave habitation, but is the IAU actually going to come up with an official definition that will decide the fate of Pluto? Wow! This is like waiting for the Hutton report.
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I think that Quaoar will be in immediately as well. Not to mention Sedna, Orcus, and the others.
Where's the cut-off point then? 1000km diameter? There are many 'others' that range in size from UB313 ~2500km down to objects under 500....where do you draw the line?

Good luck, IAU.

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Forgive my cave habitation, but is the IAU actually going to come up with an official definition that will decide the fate of Pluto? Wow! This is like waiting for the Hutton report.
Sure hope so...this is the current definition they have:

http://www.iau.org/IAU/FAQ/sedna.html

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Forgive my cave habitation, but is the IAU actually going to come up with an official definition that will decide the fate of Pluto?
Well, only if you are into lists. Pluto will have the same size, shape, orbit, etc., no matter what the decision...
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We need a definition that´s suitable for all stars. When you consider that, things like size and shape lose their meaning. Our definition of "planet" must take solely orbital characteristics into account.
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We need a definition that´s suitable for all stars. When you consider that, things like size and shape lose their meaning. Our definition of "planet" must take solely orbital characteristics into account.
I disagree. What if we discover a solar system that has planets in erratic orbits, not all in the same plane? Large objects... gas giants, even? What would you call them?

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Current theories on planetary formation would rule out this possibility. If components of a planetary system are formed from a primeval disc [i.e. a roughly co-planar collection of objects] of dust an gas a round a star, then one would expect at least one planet (whatever its size and shape) with a stable orbit (whatever the orbit´s shape, except hyperbolic). Erratic objects would be called "planetoids" (whatever their shapes and sizes).
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Current theories on planetary formation would rule out this possibility. If components of a planetary system are formed from a primeval disc [i.e. a roughly co-planar collection of objects] of dust an gas a round a star, then one would expect at least one planet (whatever its size and shape) with a stable orbit (whatever the orbit´s shape, except hyperbolic). Erratic objects would be called "planetoids" (whatever their shapes and sizes).
Well, obviously objects can have erratic orbits (KBO's in our own solar system) but where do you draw the line? If Earth had an eccentric orbit (if say, a large jupiter-sized body was closeby and knocked it out of a 'regular' orbit), would it then be no longer classified as a planet?

And what if we discover another Earth to Neptune sized object beyond the kuiper belt ... is distance going to be an issue as well?

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How about any spherical body with an appreciable (say... Mercury/Pluto) atmosphere orbiting a star is a planet?

Mercury and Pluto would qualify. Titan and Ceres would not.
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