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OK, now...lemme see if I can truly, really get this weird thing straight: no matter how distant, all Type 1A Supernovae are the same apparent brightness? ...Or Actual Brightness? |
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And, Antoniseb, its even rarer for you to be wrong. In this case, though, you are.
A Type Ia Supernova is when a white dwarf, the mostly carbon and oxygen core of a dead star (the end of the line for our Sun as well) acretes matter from a binary star companion. When the white dwarf star acretes enough matter that its total mass goes over the 1.4 solar mass limit for these objects it explodes. The light signature of these explosions is always the same, and, based on the brightness measured compared to the actual brightness of these objects, you can determine the distance to the explosion. This is why they're being called standard candles. If the theory is correct they can be used to accurately measure the distance to objects throughout the entire universe. I did a quick Google search and can only find the white dwarf explanation of Type Ia's, with no neutron stars explanations found in the search...
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Yes you are right, and I knew better, but spaced it. Thanks for the correction. I modified my original post in a way that makes your correction still a meaningful part of the thread, but such that people who read it won't be misled.
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To continue this thread a bit. What is the closest white dwarf in a binary system that could end up a Type Ia supernova?
I know Sirius B is the white dwarf that orbits the bright star Sirius A, but the separation between the two is too great for the acretion of Sirius A's matter onto Sirius B. Are there any others in our neighborhood?
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JohnL there's isn't a really good answer to that. It was thought that a white dwarf could be swallowed by a partner that entered it's red giant stage, and then they found a couple that showed spectroscopic evidence of having orbited inside the atmosphere of the red giant before it went supernova (the red giant).
I seem to recall an article about an odd star a few months ago, where they decided that it was a star that had another star or large planet orbiting in it's atmosphere as they were measuring it. So it seems that a white dwarf can be very close to a companion star. Once the companion begins dropping mass onto the white dwarf and the Chandra limit is exceeded, boom.
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Does our "neighborhood" - in other words, the surrounding stars - move with us as we orbit the galactic center, or are we just passing through? Because if it's the latter, our solar system may well have passed through supernova clouds in the past, or close to stars themselves about to supernova, and could do so sometime in the near or far future.
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There was a thread about this in Other Stories that started with a link to a paper on this subject.
Sun's Path Through The Galaxy, descending in an elliptical orbit Take a look at the paper, it's an easy read.
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Thanks antoniseb.
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In some descriptions of type II supernovae it is stated that fusion beyond iron does not happen. It seems more likely that it happens but the energy consumed reduces the temperature thereby allowing the collapse which fuses even more of the higher elements just prior to the explosion.
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Sirius is unlikely to have been very near us when it became a white dwarf; the relative motions of the stars are slow, except for some like 61 Cygni amd Barnard's star; but over hundreds of millions of years, our Sun would find itself surrounded by an entirely different stellar neighborhood.
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Thanks for reminding me that B could not have been a supernova of any type. Earlier values (5 or 10 years ago) for the mass of Sirius (not sure whether A & B were both included) were near 9 solar masses, when did the estimate get reduced to 2 solar masses? Do current theories of stellar physics allow for binaries to exchange masses in an oscillatory fashion? One can easily imagine that when B went nova that A acquired most of the expanded shell of gas from B. If so A was probably the smaller one of the pair before the B nova event.
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Note that the mass of A is thought to be about 2.0 solar masses [RECONS], and its luminosity is about 26 times the solar luminosity. The current age estimate for Sirius A is 300 million years. Proper motion - Sirius is moving about 1.4 arcseconds per year, so in 36,000 years, it will appear to have moved about 10 degrees across the sky. It is not yet at it's closest approach to the sun.
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