.....what about a single expanding Universe, whose rate of expansion is just great enough to keep the minds of those seeking to 'understand' constantly where it use-to-be. The infinity lies in the infinite number of ways in which it can be perceived. Why waste energy changing the set, when a new hint or two, changes the audiences 'prescription lens'? Like the carrot in front of the cart, or the TOE just out of grasp of the mind...... h34r:

"Rational thought imposes a limit on a person's concept of his relation to the Cosmos" J. Nash

Well, of course; your post holds truly valid. In another string in the Alternate Section, I talk about perspective, and how out of an infinite possible number of relative viewpoints, we choose the one that is unique in its dimensions: for example, where a laser beam looks like a point, where paper looks like a line, etc. But that is what makes us unique: our perspective.

you know that the big bang theory is looking shaky right now, wow maybe there was no big bang after all, maybe it is a steady-state universe?

A moment after BigBang, the Initial Instant, matter and antimatter anihilated each other, leaving matter which was more prevalent than antimatter. The mass of matter that was blasted into the initial BlackHole may yet determine the shape and size of our universe, unless matter and antimatter are not realities there.

A cyclic universe? I think that ours is made of nothing which was divided into matter and antimatter, and that matter is made of nothing that twists this way or that, and entopies back to nothing from whence it came prior to Instant One.

Yet, in all this, there is GOD, and HE is love, and HE is for HIS creation, especially for us who are willing and able to respond appropriately.

Now to see what can of snakes I have just opened.

.....there are so many different ideas or perspectives regarding the Universe, with the most valid being determined, as always, the one with the greatest number of believers. It appears to me that there may be many, many, ways to describe and pursue the secrets of the Universe. Science's linear mathematics and repeatability are indeed a valuable tool, not to mention the 'need fulfillment factor' reassuring man that there is Order in the Cosmos. The alternative seems to be innately unsettling to many. In the past, a very productive field was Natural Philosophhy. Mr. T. H. Huxley, Mr. Charles Darwin, and others contributed much through observing and developing an 'overall or inter-active concept'. It seems there is a trend in that direction once again. In general terms, the ancients understood the inter-activeness but not the facts, today we understand many of the facts and mechanics, but not the interaction. Perhaps the pendulum is swinging to that middle ground.....

"When one admits that nothing is certain one must, I think, also add that some things are more nearly certain than others." Bertrand Russell <_<

oh well then if current evidence is right, then my only hope are for there to be other quasi-verses

Maybe we can compromise right now. We can say, our universe is not cyclic, there are indeed other universes, and the steady state theory began with a Big Bang, and the Steady State is actually a Steady Expansion.

so a steady expansion means that the universe wont die off, right? so there is no need for oscillation, and yeah im beggining to think that there ARE other quasi-verses out there, maybe each might even have different laws of physics and nature and be completely different, i hope all contains life though

.....remember that an assumption is being made that Homo/Saps are capable of understanding the way the Universe works, that the questions asked determine which 'face' the Universe reveals, that the most valid theory is determined by the number of believers, that the Universe could have an infinite number of descriptions depending which 'lens' it is being viewed through, it is the processor, the brain, that 'demands to know the ONE answer, favorite: music, ice cream, color, the best: book, movie, TV show etc., not the conceptual infinite mind, that
the linear approach can describe the 'how' but not the 'why' because it cannot factor in the 'incidentals' that determine which of the possibilities will prevail.(ie that is why the weather cannot accurately be predicted in advance, No One Knows where exactly hurricane Frances is going to make land fall or what path it will take afterwards, through a cyclical 'lens' the Universe is very cyclical. Night and day, the procession of the constellations across the Heavens, the Seasons, the almost verbatim repetition of human history, even walking down the street is not a straight line, being the Earth is a sphere, there is a degree of arc and if that arc is extended it culminate in a circle. Logic tells me that a mind capable of infinite conceptualization, contemplating an infinite Universe=an Infinite Number of Possibilities. As the young Seeker told Neo: "It's not the spoon that won't bend, it's your mind."(in fact that was the over-riding theme of the Matrix, to me. Those who favored the linear-mechanistic "lens" in conflict with those who favored the Quantum "lens"), (I don't care if it's a real steak or not, I want to taste that taste again. trans: I want my old reality back)......

"As is your sort of mind,
So is your sort of search:
You will find what you desire." Wm. Blake h34r:

i really like the other quasi-verses theory

....go with it, no matter which lenses you use, never relegate the poetry- in- motion, the inter-connectedness and sheer wonder of it all secondary to a quantification (in MHO)......

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious, it is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who no longer pauses to wonder, stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. His eyes are closed." Mr. Albert Einstein

The matter/anti-matter anihilation "convenience" is troubling. The anihilation should have produced high energy photons of several characteristic wavelengths which should in turn decay into particle/anti-particle pairs which should in turn anihilate etc. Unless inflation was caused by and then alleviated this condition by "suddenly" lowering the energy threshold of these photons below pair formation levels via the space expansion effects, what would have stopped the anihilation/pair/formation oscillations? How can we parlay this into an explanation of dark energy/dark matter?

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Whether there is a limit to the magnitude of a modulation of chaos below which order remains invariant? Or, is order but a fiction invented by perspectives applied over finite, however large, time intervals?

The anti-matter asymmetry has always bugged me. Why do we assume the universe is mostly matter, when we can't tell whether or not the distant galaxies we are looking at contain matter or anti-matter?

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Are you sure about the heat death from expansion? I would expect it to become very cold.

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For those inclined to oppose human meddling with the structure of the universe or the composition and configuration of objects and groups of objects within the universe, consider:
Whether there is a limit to the magnitude of a modulation of chaos below which order remains invariant? Or, is order but a fiction invented by perspectives applied over finite, however large, time intervals?

It's difficult to imagine a sorting process before, during or shortly after the inflationary period that would isolate matter galaxies from anti-matter galaxies. Also intergalactic space is known from observations to contain at least hydrogen in one form or the other which would generate much characteristic gamma radiation from the matter and anti-matter anihilations. Such radiation has not been observed to my knowledge.

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For those inclined to oppose human meddling with the structure of the universe or the composition and configuration of objects and groups of objects within the universe, consider:
Whether there is a limit to the magnitude of a modulation of chaos below which order remains invariant? Or, is order but a fiction invented by perspectives applied over finite, however large, time intervals?

do you guys think there are other Pockets Of Space/Time outside of ours, i know its not really scientifical but more on the philiosopy side, but what do you think?

ps: i dont mean the parallel universe/multiverse theory

Possibly, Plat, though I would advise you to not yet risk a venture out there...the possibility and probability is as unpredictable as the weather.

And GH, I still believe the answer is Einstein's Cosmological Constant, and I believe it has to be modified to allow an energy-matter ratio of c^2.

Not very much considering the densities of intergalactic space and the neutrality and randomness of the gas collisions. Maybe if the phenomenon isn't way too dim to see, we could try looking.

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so it is a possibility and a probablity?

Yes - both.

me too

i think there are uncountable number of POST's inside a "field" of some sort

edit: if reincarnation is true (im confident it is) it would be able to reincarnate to and from other quasi-verses, right?, i mean i dont see why it would be bounded to one

i hope someday in the very far future we will be able to "peek" inside other quasi-verses

There's one problem with a Big Crunch theory: Spacetime. since spacetime are basically conjoined twins that cannot be pulled apart, I can't see how our universe can recycle itself and still maintain the exact same physical laws every single time.