Ignore this. Can you delete your posts on this forum?

As this is a poll, what are the options?

I would vote for "no future".

Cheers.

Well, seeing as this thread isn't going away any time soon, what I wanted to ask, since I can't really follow what's going on in the "exodus from the big bang" thread, is what, in the simplest terms, can replace the Big Bang if many of the phenomena it predicts, such as dark matter, dark energy and inflation, cannot be observed or verified?

Right now there are no alternatives to the Big Bang that have as wide a scope of explanation. Its one of the complaints sometimes raised - "What's your alternative to the Big Bang?"

Of course Ari Jokimaki raised an interesting question when he started this thread .

It seems over the years people have commented that scientists prefer to have some theory rather than no theory - even if the accepted theory has problems:

"The origin of all science is the desire to know causes; and the origin of all false science and imposture is the desire to accept false causes rather than none; or, which is the same thing, in the unwillingness to acknowledge our own ignorance."
- William Hazlett (1829)

"A little true science is better than a great deal of bad science. One is less liable to error by confessing one's ignorance than by fancying that one knows a great many things one does not."
- Ernest Renan (1893)

"...One of the great pitfalls of science is the fallacy of misplaced concreteness. Scientists seem to prefer questionable explanations to no explanation at all."
- Harry Rubin (1980)

But theory guides experiment - and the purpose of theory is to attempt to keep scientific investigation from flailing about aimlessly. So do the above quotes identify something that is actually a bad thing or a good thing? I'm sure there could be a lot of debate on that.

That was an interesting thread. I get the feeling that the scientific community is quite cruel at times.

"Cruel" might even be an understatement.

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but, we got to have something. Otherwise the creationists will have a field day.

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I say there is an alternative to big bang, which incorporates all the is best from all the existing major heories... as big bang, strings.. and choas.. and so forth and so on...

-MT

i suppose you have a picture to back up your theory?

I think a Compton Effect interpretation of the cosmological red shift that results in static universe works.
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