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Old 04-October-2005, 08:29 AM
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I dont know why but for some reason I think we are all missing something really easy in this universe. I belive it has something to do with the outside of this univsrse. I think the outside of the univese like a pool of something. You cant try to tell me nothing exists outside of there. I belive we are missing a really big but yet so obvious discovery.
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I belive we are missing a really big but yet so obvious discovery.
What's the scientific basis of your belief?
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Because we understand so much yet we know nothing. Thats why.
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I hear yeah.. and i agree... and i have ideas about it too. and doodles.
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...You can't try to tell me nothing exists outside of there...
It might go on forever, yet it is finite. "Finite and unbounded" was part of Einstein's description of the cosmos.

UCLA Astronomer Ned Wright answers some of these questions.

And here are many more interesting questions people have about the universe.
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Because we understand so much yet we know nothing. Thats why.
Continue. Back up your statement. How do you know we know nothing?
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Wouldn't it be a kick if, in the end, we discovered we really did have it all figured out and just didn't realize it? Creating new questions and problems with any answer found simply because we can't accept the simplicity of it all..

Of course, that mischievous little idea (MLI) could be utterly destroyed if proof is provided that we, in fact, know nothing. Being personally attached to that MLI, I would be grateful if those in possession of said proof would refrain from exposing it at this time, at least until I've had ample opportunity to deal with the anticipated trauma.

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Because we understand so much yet we know nothing. Thats why.
On the other hand, maybe the problem is with your question. Maybe there is so much to know that no matter how much we understand, we can never really know the ultimate "truth" that you are looking for. Maybe we have to content ourselves with just accumulating knowledge, and never getting to the "place" you want to be. We know many things. But there are so many more that we don't know. Is that so surprising?
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Ontop of that we are limited to the view of our own referential place in space which is the local bubble in which we exist. This is more or less in tune with the holographic principle. Part of the complete picture might be in ways or realms we don't even suspect or have any physical means to know. =)
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The Principle of Uncertainty poses an unsurpassable limit to our knowledge. We have to live with that.
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I have a sneaking suspicion that, yes, we may be missing something "simple". Not that our theories are "wrong", but that we may be doing it "the hard way" or "the long way around". I suspect that when (if) we find the "Universe on a T-shirt" Theory of Everything, it will be a very profound D'OH! Of course" moment!
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I dont know why but for some reason I think we are all missing something really easy in this universe. I belive it has something to do with the outside of this univsrse. I think the outside of the univese like a pool of something. You cant try to tell me nothing exists outside of there. I belive we are missing a really big but yet so obvious discovery.
You might want to check out the Against The Mainstream section of the forum, where this kind of speculation belongs. When you start talking about what's outside of the universe, you're definitely against the mainstream. You might also find some threads there with ideas sympathetic to yours, but probably not here in the Astronomy section.
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The question was answered by a "Simpsons" couch gag a couple of years ago. The universe is just a strand of DNA in a giant Homer Simpson. Who could argue with that?
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I dont know why but for some reason I think we are all missing something really easy in this universe. I belive it has something to do with the outside of this univsrse. I think the outside of the univese like a pool of something. You cant try to tell me nothing exists outside of there. I belive we are missing a really big but yet so obvious discovery.

I don't get this. Are tyring to tell me that it's easier to imagine something that goes on for ever than something that stops somewhere?
I find it easier to imagine that the Universe stops somewhere out there and the rest isn't there at all than to try to imagine that it goes on for ever. This is a philosophical problem not an astronomical one.
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