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Old 21-February-2003, 02:05 PM
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http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/...altime-c3.html

Can you explain what that is in 2342 ?
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Old 21-February-2003, 02:06 PM
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No, I don't think there is as much data as usual on this comet. I think there must be more periodical comets with much shorter orbit which scientists must have much more time to study in detail. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong guys!). This research can then be applied to other comets, such as expected levels of brightness of a sungrazer comet, composition of the tail etc.
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Old 21-February-2003, 02:10 PM
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http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/...altime-c3.html

Can you explain what that is in 2342 ?
Looks like the remenants of a CME. It's been snapped at a point where the source has disappeared. I've seen weirder ones:

http://soho.nascom.nasa.gov/hotshots...6_1818_c3m.gif
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Old 21-February-2003, 02:14 PM
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Thanks !
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Old 21-February-2003, 02:16 PM
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Hey, no problem. Just tell you the way I see it. A few days ago I didn't even know what a CME was! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] If anyone sees a mistake I've made, please point it out because I'm quite a n00b at this stuff.
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Old 21-February-2003, 02:18 PM
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http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/...altime-c3.html

Can you explain what that is in 2342 ?
Looks like the remenants of a CME. It's been snapped at a point where the source has disappeared. I've seen weirder ones:

http://soho.nascom.nasa.gov/hotshots...6_1818_c3m.gif
Actually, I think it's artificial. To quote the BA (from http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/soho.html ):

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As far as other "anomalies" in SOHO images go, there are many, but all the ones I have seen have rational explanations. Sometimes you see what look like palm fronds coming out, fanning across the image. I asked a SOHO person, and they said that sometimes debris gets knocked off the satellite (there are a few moving parts on the satellite that can jolt it) and this stuff drifts on front of the camera. They are out of focus at first, and as they move away they get more and more in focus. That's why you get the palm frond shape; the thick base is actually when the particle is close, and the narrow tip is when it's far away. It's a time exposure of something coming into focus.
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Old 21-February-2003, 02:19 PM
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Actually dude, looking at that picture a little closer, as well as the preceeding slides, I have to say I don't know what that swirl is! Can anyone clear it up?
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Old 21-February-2003, 03:29 PM
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So what is a CME? I am the super noob here
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Old 21-February-2003, 03:36 PM
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It's actually caused be over exposer, the light is bleeding from pixel to pixel. It happens when there is a very bright object.
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Old 21-February-2003, 03:37 PM
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damn wrong page I was responding to the last post on page 2
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So what is a CME? I am the super noob here
Coronal Mass Ejection, I believe.

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Old 21-February-2003, 05:08 PM
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Yup, I seem to think that's what it stands for too. Hey, talking of conspiracy theorists, here's a great example of why I dislike them:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...cgi?read=28930

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Old 21-February-2003, 05:28 PM
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Can you explain what that is in 2342 ?
According to Spaceweather.com this morning;

It is probably debris from the SOHO spacecraft itself," explains Brekke. "We have seen these things in several hundred images. It happens occasionally when bits of insulating material flake off the solar-facing surface of the vehicle. The strange shape could be explained by debris falling into the telescope. At the beginning of the exposure it is in front of the telescope and almost in focus (lower right). Then it falls towards the mirror and grows to a total blur."

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Old 21-February-2003, 05:49 PM
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Ah, explains a lot. And to think I originally thought it was a CME!!! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Old 22-February-2003, 07:45 AM
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Let's compare size with Comet V1, and 4 other planets, ie: Venus, Mercury, Jepiter, and Saturn.

If you were to fully examine V1 size, using these planets as a marker point, maybe then we can estimate comet V1 true size?

See & study this image from soho of the year 2000.

http://soho.nascom.nasa.gov/hotshots...lasco_c3v3.jpg


As I remember Soho spacecraft is station/parked @ 1 million miles from Earth.

The Sun is @ 92 million miles from Earth.
Planet Mercury is @ 27 million miles from the Sun.
The planet Venus is @ 57 million miles from the Sun.?

Venus is less than 40 million mile from Earth ?

Venus is the almost the same size as Earth.

Now, when So-call comet V1 passed the closes to the Sun 0.09 au (8 million miles from the Sun), BUT Still V1 is Bigger & larger than the Planet Venus.





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Old 22-February-2003, 11:28 AM
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Now, you see the problem is that people assume V1 was the whole front portion of comet. It wasn't. The front portion (I'll call it the head) was just a cloud surrounding the tiny comet. The cloud was hydrogen, given off as the suns radiation acts with the water in the comet. Before you start making judgements on it's size, you would have to remove the massive hydrogen cloud to see what's at the centre of it all. It's as it makes its approach to the sun that it gets much brighter.
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Old 22-February-2003, 06:20 PM
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The image, which includes the outgassing and glare of this object is bigger than it's actual core. The Earth would be tens of miles larger in diameter if we inculded it's atmosphere and our atmosphere isn't lit up or expanding like this comet's.

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Old 23-February-2003, 01:58 AM
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Comet V1 to emerge from the Sun's glare into
the Southwestern skys, ....next week.

Get Ready.

for more information (Spaceweather):

http://home.mindspring.com/~fjr1/#Comet
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Old 23-February-2003, 03:41 AM
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How do you account for the comet being seen in the xray spectrum of light and not in visible light?
How do you account for all the ionized gas being vaporized off the surface of the nucleaus?
Has it occured to you that what you are seing is only due to the gas being burned off at an increased rate due to its proximity of the Sun?

Use some logic and common sense and study SOHO physics and how and what the images are next time.
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Old 23-February-2003, 05:28 AM
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Here's thhe full movie of Comet V1 & the Sun, it's real COOL to view.

THANK YOU . http://www.spaceweather.com

Welcome Aramus, happy to see you.
The Movie(wait 30sec+ to load up)
enjoy::

http://science.nasa.gov/spaceweather...eb03/soho1.gif

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Old 23-February-2003, 06:20 AM
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Greenhalgh surmises:
"...It must be the Govenment controlling the weather then [/sarcasm]".
Maybe you forgot about our quaint USAF's "promise":
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RadarMatrix2003/
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Old 23-February-2003, 12:02 PM
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Well, I didn't know about the USAFs promise, but the date for such progressions in weather technology is 2025. Have we gained 2 decades? No, the Government does not control the weather as much as I'd like to be able to believe that. Image the implications of such a thing: you could create snow storms over Iraq and freeze 'em to death without the public being able to point a finger at you!
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Old 23-February-2003, 12:04 PM