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Old 05-February-2006, 06:19 PM
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Default Michael Brown makes the case for demoting Pluto

I was looking for links this morning about the planethood controversy and, in the process, found some interesting quotes from Michael Brown, the discoverer of 2003 UB313 and the leading voice to have it awarded planetary status...

In October, 2002, after his discovery of Quaoar (the first KBO to get serious consideration as the 10th planet), Brown said this:

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"Quaoar definitely hurts the case for Pluto being a planet," said planetary scientist Mike Brown, co-discover of the new object. "If Pluto were discovered today, no one would even consider calling it a planet because it's clearly a Kuiper Belt object."
In March, 2004, after his co-discovery of Sedna (the next KBO to get serious consideration), Brown said this:

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"Scientifically, there really is no question" that Pluto should be reclassified, says Brown, the Caltech astronomer who helped find Sedna.

"Either Pluto is not a planet, or many other things are planets," Brown said today. "Which is a better choice? I want my planets to be more special, not less special, so I favor Pluto not being a planet. Emotionally, though, I have to admit that I have grown up thinking Pluto this special odd-ball planet at the edge of the solar system. While I now know scientifically that Pluto is less special, it's still hard to let go."
But with the discovery of 2003 UB313, now Brown says:

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"Pluto has been a planet for so long that the world is comfortable with that," Brown said in the teleconference. "It seems to me a logical extension that anything bigger than Pluto and farther out is a planet."
It seems to me that, when Brown is thinking scientifically (his words), that Pluto and other KBOs should NOT be planets. But when he is talking about what makes the world comfortable, then, what the hell, Pluto and anything bigger can be a planet.

To me, Michael Brown makes as strong of a case for Pluto being officially demoted as anyone else. Do we want the IAU to make decisions scientifically, or based on cultural whims?
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Michael Brown's case seems to be summed up in his "I want my planets to be special" line. I don't see that being any less whimsical than "Pluto's a planet 'cause we like it that way". Frankly, wouldn't it be more scientific to classify an object based on its properties, and not the properties of its neighbours?
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It seems to me that, when Brown is thinking scientifically (his words), that Pluto and other KBOs should NOT be planets. But when he is talking about what makes the world comfortable, then, what the hell, Pluto and anything bigger can be a planet.

To me, Michael Brown makes as strong of a case for Pluto being officially demoted as anyone else. Do we want the IAU to make decisions scientifically, or based on cultural whims?
Part of the problem is figuring out what is scientific and what is not. Ken G has discussed this with me in another thread, and there is not universal agreement.

Richard Feynman, in one of his books, complains about the loose way that the word "science" is thrown around in theories of education--he mentions that many such theories have no scientific support at all, even though their proponents say that they do. It's not very different than today's debate about science and intelligent design.

Classification may aid science, but I see little support for claiming one scheme is scientific and the other not.
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