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Old 07-August-2006, 06:00 PM
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I really don't know how the names are being given to the planets and different stars, how these names came from, who have chosen these names, is there any specific procedure behind this one.

Is there any star registry international forum, who always gives the names to the star and planets?

How one cay say that 'he searched one new star' later how he proceeds?

Is there any specific directory through which the names are being chosen?

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( I have just painted a design of a new star in the space, it is just casual).
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Old 07-August-2006, 06:21 PM
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I really don't know how the names are being given to the planets and different stars, how these names came from, who have chosen these names, is there any specific procedure behind this one.

Is there any star registry international forum, who always gives the names to the star and planets?

How one cay say that 'he searched one new star' later how he proceeds?

Is there any specific directory through which the names are being chosen?

sunil.

( I have just painted a design of a new star in the space, it is just casual).
The International Astronomical Union is the recognized authority in scientific circles.

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The IAU is the internationally recognized authority for naming celestial bodies and surface features on them ... Names assigned by the IAU are recognized and used by scientists, space agencies, and authorities worldwide. When observing stars and planets or launching space missions to them, or reporting about them in the news, everybody needs to know exactly which location a particular name refers to. The names assigned by the IAU are those that are used.
I hope this helps.
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Old 07-August-2006, 06:29 PM
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Some objects are named according to set rules, such as the initial detection of satellites and asteroids, the 2006AK34 sort of name. When the object is confirmed, the discoverer gets a say in choosing a name, subject again to rules like non-duplication. Stars are normally referred to by their number in some catalogue, again with rules for the components of multiple systems.
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I keep hearing on the Radio that you can "buy" a star. For like $50 you can have a star named after anyone you want. They'll name one, record it and give you the coordinates for the location.
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The only place that that name has any meaning, or will ever get used is in the files of the company you buy the certificate from. It's a scam.

On the other hand, it's a remarkably romantic gift for a girl/boyfriend. "Here, I love you so much I bought you a star, and had it named after you!"
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This is a follow-up question about the IAU, but I was wondering, when they choose a name for a new planet, for example, what do they do, if anything, about the problem of pronunciation in various languages? For example, suppose they give a name starting with a "V", when there are many languages in the world that have no "V". Or for example, suppose that they approve a name for a new planet that includes two consonants in a row (for example, Sedna), when there are languages, like Chinese notably, that don't allow consonant clusters? Or are these names only used by astronomers when communicating in English?
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[...]when they choose a name for a new planet, for example, what do they do, if anything, about the problem of pronunciation in various languages?
I can't imagine they worry about it. There are plenty of names that are difficult enough in English, the predominant language of Astronomy. Cruithne leaps to mind, which I've read, never heard from an astronomer's mouth, is like KROOee-nyuh or croo-EEN-ya or creen-ya or...

Perhaps not directly relevant, but here's a nice table of planet names in many dozen different languages: Planetary Linguistics
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This is a follow-up question about the IAU, but I was wondering, when they choose a name for a new planet, for example, what do they do, if anything, about the problem of pronunciation in various languages? For example, suppose they give a name starting with a "V", when there are many languages in the world that have no "V". Or for example, suppose that they approve a name for a new planet that includes two consonants in a row (for example, Sedna), when there are languages, like Chinese notably, that don't allow consonant clusters? Or are these names only used by astronomers when communicating in English?
Not sure where you got the idea that Chinese doesn't allow consonant clusters. There are some consonant clusters in English that don't get used in Chinese, and some consonant sounds (v and th) that they don't have, but there are also Chinese consonant sounds that don't exist in English (the sounds represented in pinyin by zh, x, ch, ju). I had great fun trying to teach one of my friends here how to pronounce th!

In answer to your question, the name is the name. If people have difficulty pronouncing it that's just tough. Even English speakers have problems. How many people have you heard pronounce Uranus correctly?
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Not sure where you got the idea that Chinese doesn't allow consonant clusters. There are some consonant clusters in English that don't get used in Chinese, and some consonant sounds (v and th) that they don't have, but there are also Chinese consonant sounds that don't exist in English (the sounds represented in pinyin by zh, x, ch, ju). I had great fun trying to teach one of my friends here how to pronounce th!
I'm sorry if this strays a bit off the topic. The only consonant clusters you can have in Mandarin would be an "n" or "ng" coda followed by an initial consonant of a second. So words like "Shanghai", for example. But that's very limited: the only possibility is a nasal followed by some other consonant. The other sounds like zh and ch aren't clusters, they're just romanized representations of single sounds.
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The closest phonetics would be zh=dzj, and ch=tsj.

If you can pronounce those as a single sound then you're doing something that none of my Chinese friends can do!
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Wollery,

I understand what you're getting at. Those sounds are affricates, like "sh" and "ch" in English, and, according to Wikipedia:

"Affricate consonants begin as stops (most often an alveolar, such as [t] or [d]), but release as a fricative such as [s] or [z] (or, in a couple of languages, into a fricative trill) rather than directly into the following vowel."

I have never considered those to be clusters, but maybe they can be. It is true that they're spelled with two letters in English, but there are languages where they aren't. I think in Turkish they write /tS/ as a c with a thingie underneath it (whatever you call that). So it doesn't seem clear to me that, for example in English, "s" is a single consonant whereas "sh" is a cluster. In IPA, the first is written [s] whereas the other is a funny mark [ʃ] if you can read it.

So I think this may be an issue of how we define cluster.
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