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Old 12-January-2007, 01:41 AM
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Jupiter emits more light than it receives, that's right. But it has to be capable to fuse in order to be a star. It needs about 80 times more mass in order to do that.

You can't burn Jupiter, it is made of hydrogen which doesn't burn. You need oxygen which Jupiter doesn't have.
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The eight real planets are distinct in that they fit a positional pattern of distance from the sun, have the same orbital plane, they "own" their orbits, and are the largest objects. An alien visiting the Solar System would surely notice this and categorize them separately from the scattered rubble which doesn't fit that pattern, regardless of any arbitrary definition Earthlings came up with.

Really? Not to bust your chops or anything, but what proof can you offer on your expertise in civilizations from other star systems? There are LOTS of ways to categorize the things orbiting our star, and an alien might use any number of them to make the determination. An alien society might not even understand the distinctions we draw or why we draw them. They might not name planets, dwarf planets, or even stars. On the other hand, they might name everything down to the bolt that got lost on the last space walk. We just don't know.

Lets see....how could you arbitrarily define "Planets" versus "Rocks orbiting stars"

Must have an atmosphere (with some specific minimum pressure/volume/etc so that 4 molecules of O2 doesn't qualify)

Origin of life (you could really conserve names with that one)

Currently supporting life (you want us to bother calling that crappy ball of dirt ANYTHING, you get your lazy butts off that rock and colonize it)

Specific minimum (or maximum?) mass and/or size

Specific minimum (or maximum?) densisty (Pluto is back to planet status, but Saturn gets the boot?)

Must have moons (again with some specification as to what makes a moon)

Minimum and/or maximum distance from the parent star

Must orbit couter-clockwise when viewed from their star

Must produce a minimum number of twinkies and moon pies

Or who knows what....

I mean really, other than confusing school children, what purpose does this serve? Pluto is still Pluto. It gets to keep its name, its orbit, and its moons. Nothing changed about the object. Its just a big rock with a name, like several other big rocks in the system.
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when viewed from what hemisphere of the star?
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when viewed from what hemisphere of the star?
Who says they separate by hemisphere? Which, of course, is kind of the point....
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Who says they separate by hemisphere? Which, of course, is kind of the point....
They do, though. If your head points north and your feet south, the revolution will be one way (counter-clockwise by our defintion), but flip yourself in the other direction and the revolution appears to go the other direction.

It would probably be better to specify that the planets orbit in the same direction as the star rotates instead of counter-clockwise. (And that's more your point.)
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I'm sorry, but that's stupid (I'm directing that at the dialect society, not 01101001). I have never heard anyone say "plutoed", even those against pluto's change in status. It is one thing to make up new words, but it is another thing if no one actually uses them.
"Plutoed" is a word and has been used on the net since the resolution. A Google shows it.
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Sorry if someone posted this already, but I happened upon a Pluto Petition, apparently done by the fellow who does spaceweather.com, where you can vote for or against Pluto's planet status. I wonder when one of the candidates for US president will take a position on this issue?
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I've signed it

It was really underhanded how they managed to have the vote when most of the astronomers had to leave to catch flights home

Pluto deserves more than that, plus he keeps staring at the photo of Mickey in tears asking what he did wrong

Shame on you Mickey Mouse
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I've signed it now too. In favor of Pluto not being a planet. Now if we could only revise most of the other outdated astronomical conventions - like the magnitude system and stellar classifications.
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Old 22-February-2007, 06:12 PM
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Now if we could only revise most of the other outdated astronomical conventions - like the magnitude system and stellar classifications.
Yeah, like that's gonna happen!
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Sorry if someone posted this already, but I happened upon a Pluto Petition, apparently done by the fellow who does spaceweather.com, where you can vote for or against Pluto's planet status. I wonder when one of the candidates for US president will take a position on this issue?
Frankly I don't give a rat's butt whether it returns to planet status or not. I want a reasonable, universally applicable definition for what a planet is that is logical and consistent. The one slipped in by the IAU is none of those.
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Happy Pluto Planet Day!

Per the New Mexico state legislature:

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NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO that, as Pluto passes overhead through New Mexico's excellent night skies, it be declared a planet and that March 13, 2007 be declared "Pluto Planet Day" at the legislature.
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How high up do New Mexico's skies extend??
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Happy Pluto Planet Day!

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NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO that, as Pluto passes overhead through New Mexico's excellent night skies, it be declared a planet and that March 13, 2007 be declared "Pluto Planet Day" at the legislature.
What a proud day for us New Mexicans.

Now, if the state legislators could just get on to more serious state business, I'd really be happy.

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I remember when I went to the premiere of The Hi-Lo Country at the Lensic, and Gary Johnson came onto the stage and declared it "Max Evans Day." He seemed to mean it.
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What a proud day for us New Mexicans.

Now, if the state legislators could just get on to more serious state business, I'd really be happy.
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Ah New Mexico. Home of Clyde Tombaugh, Los Alamos, the Manhattan Project, Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic spaceport, the Alamagordo Harry Potter book burning and the only creationist I have ever met who had the guts to claim the universe was "Three thousand years old, perhaps four." I'm not sure what all that means, but it means something.
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A Goofball Called Pluto

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One of the first pieces I wrote for SpaceDaily, over seven years ago, was on the already increasingly goofy debate over whether not to continue calling Pluto a "planet". Well, the debate has now proceeded to an official vote by the IAU that gained worldwide headlines by changing Pluto's title -- and it remains as goofy as ever.

Indeed, the description of that fateful IAU meeting in the Sept. 1, 2006 Science makes the IAU meeting sound rather like an episode of "Romper Room" in which Miss Virginia lost control of her class:
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Illinois town hosts Planet Pluto Expo

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California and New Mexico have taken their stands on Pluto's planethood, and now it's time for … Streator, Illinois?

On Friday and Saturday, the 14,000-person town is hosting Planet Pluto Expo, with special guests Alan Stern, a vociferous critic of Pluto's demotion to "dwarf planet" and principal investigator of the New Horizons mission to Pluto; Kevin Schindler, outreach manager for Lowell Observatory, where Clyde Tombaugh discovered Pluto on 18 February 1930; and Fred and Sharon Altman, Illinois residents and parents of astronaut Scott Altman.
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If you're wondering why this geeky extravaganza would be held in Streator, the answer is simple: it is the hometown of Clyde Tombaugh, who was born there in 1906.
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That's creepy nightmare material. Worse than clowns.
Huh, I thought it was kinda cute
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They all seem to be cross. (emotionally)
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Cute, but where's Charon?

And why doesn't Venus have any clouds?
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...And why doesn't Venus have any clouds?
Earth isn't all that clothed itself.

Are we talking dirty pictures here?
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Cute, but where's Charon?

And why doesn't Venus have any clouds?
And why is Pluto as big as Mercury?

(edit: oops, wrong planet. was: mars)
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It was really underhanded how they managed to have the vote when most of the astronomers had to leave to catch flights home

Pluto deserves more than that, plus he keeps staring at the photo of Mickey in tears asking what he did wrong

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