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Old 05-September-2006, 06:40 AM
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Default Anyone knows where I can get a list of stars by their size?

I'm working on a project and I need a list of at least 50 stars with their known sizes (they must be below 50 solar diameters), but all star search engines I found didn't offer star sizes in the results, or didn't provide me with ways to search by size.

Does anyone know where I can find this information? Thanks in advance!

Also, while we're on topic, what's the estimated size of Betelgeuse? I'm finding values ranging from 500 to 700 solar diameters, which is a big difference I can't really ignore.
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you may want to look up a Hertzberg-Russell (HR) diagram on google.
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I'm working on a project and I need a list of at least 50 stars with their known sizes (they must be below 50 solar diameters), but all star search engines I found didn't offer star sizes in the results, or didn't provide me with ways to search by size.

Does anyone know where I can find this information? Thanks in advance!

Also, while we're on topic, what's the estimated size of Betelgeuse? I'm finding values ranging from 500 to 700 solar diameters, which is a big difference I can't really ignore.
I have a book called Starlist 2000. It's a catalog of stars with the the basic details laid out in a grid. It has them listed by constellation, but in the back there are some other charts, like the top 20 brightest and so on. I just moved, and I'm not sure where that book might be but if you just want the numbers, it's a good place to start.
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Wikipedia offers a list of the largest known stars, by their solar diameter;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_stars

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Here's a list of the 100 nearest stars, that includes their masses.
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cjbirch, I already used that list from Wikipedia, but it stops at 43 solar diameters, and I need some examples of smaller stars as well.

And CuddlySkyGazer, I need their actual sizes, not masses.

About the rest, I'll be taking a look.
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Also, while we're on topic, what's the estimated size of Betelgeuse? I'm finding values ranging from 500 to 700 solar diameters, which is a big difference I can't really ignore.
Don't expect too much precision. We don't have a lot of Betelguese-type stars to study and measure to make detailed inferences about their actual size.

Remember that attributes like distance, mass, age and diameter are all inferred and estimated based on spectral characteristics, commonalities with other stars and theories of stellar evolution.
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Dunno if its up-to-date, but also look at http://www.stellar-database.com
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Hum,
you may want to look up a Hertzberg-Russell (HR) diagram on google.
(emphasis mine) A Hertzsprung-Russell diagram, maybe?
LucasVB, if you can't find any explicit data on stellar radii, here is a fairly dependable relationship for main sequence (luminosity through hydrogen fusion) stars:
for stars of less than 2 solar masses, the radius is roughly proportional to the mass (Mstar equal or approximately equal to 1.6 Msun, then Rstar is approximately 1.6 Rsun). For stars of greater than 2 solar masses (hotter main sequence stars), then the radius is proportional to the square root of the mass (Mstar approximately 4 Msun, then Rstar is approximately 2 Rsun). The relationships for most of the main sequence stars are fairly well defined. If you want to go into a little more depth, try here, or try a google search for "mass-luminosity" or "mass-radius" (or variations of the above). Also study the HR diagram to get a good idea of the general relationships. Hope this helps.
Also, a note on Betelgeuse: it has evolved past its main sequence stage. It's estimated to be "only" 15-20 Msun, but it's radius falls far outside the "main sequence" proportionalities due to it being in "supergiant" phase. Many believe it to be nearing supernova, so instabilities in the star itself might account for the differences in measurements. It's also classified as a pulsating variable. [/pedant]

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Hum,
tnx for correction.
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Thanks guys. I've managed to gather the data I needed.
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Hum,
you may want to look up a Hertzberg-Russell (HR) diagram on google.
Which just links you to your post above.

Computers are idiots.

Now I want to see this man's artwork on stars.
http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/

He laments the lack of quality images out there.
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Links from Mr. Tufte:
http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-...1kE&topic_id=1
http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-...262&topic_id=1
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Which just links you to your post above.
Cool,
i can see a new form of `google-ranking-feedback-sport` emerging from this...
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