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Has there been any suggestions made for names for 2005 FY9 or 2003 EL61? When do you think they might be named?
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If they become dwarf planets, I guess the names come from the Greco-Roman mythology (since Ceres, Pluto, and Eris are all Greco-Roman deities).
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0. 1992 QB1
Location: Classical belt Estimated mass: unknown Semi-major axis: 44 AU Nickname: none Notable features: The first Kuiper Belt object (after Pluto and Charon). The original "cubewano" (QB1). This object was found in 1992 and still remains unnamed. The discoverers David Jewitt and Janet Luu suggested the name "Smiley" (!), but the proposal was rejected since it was already assigned to a main belt asteroid. After the numbering, the discoverers have ten years to suggest the name for this object. After that, anyone can suggest a name.
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The naming of 2003 EL61 may be problematic since it is not clear who found the object. The Ortiz team first reported the discovery to the Minor Planet Center and informed the public which makes them eligible to propose the name. However, Brown accuses them for stealing the discovery because they could have found the object using observation logs of Brown's team. Ortiz et al. deny this. According to Ortiz, they discovered it independently and only checked if it was the same object studied by Brown's team. I don't think there's any way to prove it either way.
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I think they should be named after beings of the darkness like Pluto and Eris (but not necessarily Greek). A few ones: Hecate, Cerridwen, Lilith, Morgana, Ereshkigal, Arianhrod, Durga, Inanna, Tiamat...
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I think whoever spotted it first will get credit. Perhaps Ortiz has observation logs of 2003 EL61 that precede Brown's, and he has just mysteriously chosen not to let anyone know about them.
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I don't see how they can name it after coining "cubwano." Maybe they could do an R2D2 and call it Cubywan.
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) claim of independent discovery. Unless there is new evidence I haven't seen yet, I would be really surprised (and disappointed) if they followed Brown's line of reasoning. His case is just far too weak. |
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Now, it could be that Ortiz's story is absolutely true, but it requires a reliance on coincidence and trust that makes it difficult to accept. In addition to all of that, you then have to overlook Ortiz's questionable decision to rush his announcement to get credit for the discovery when he knew full well that Brown had already discovered 2003 EL61 six months earlier.
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It is very but not too coincidental, and it is not implausible. Astronomical (and other) discoveries happen when they do.
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In the light of Stoss' testimony I find such a coincidence much easier to believe than Ortiz setting up the precovery scenario. This would mean he had determined a quite reliable orbit from the pointing data of 2005, precovered the object in the images of 2003, given Stoss a wrong but plausible orbit (Stoss said he got a retrograde solution from Ortiz consistent with short arc orbit determination; Ortiz had said before, he had no experience with orbit determination and the retrograde solution was the reason to ask someone experienced) workable for successive precovery on older plates leading in turn to an orbit good enough for successful recovery coordinates. Now, that's much more a stretch than Santos-Sanz spotting the object just around the time Brown's abstract was published. And I don't see why Stoss should be lying. Guilty unless proven innocent? Quote:
First, Ortiz didn't rush an announcement but submitted a set of astrometry soon after measurement. That's nothing suspicious or questionable but common practice and asked for by the MPC. Second, we don't know what Ortiz knew about the identity. He most probably had an idea, but we don't know to what degree, and everything said about this from someone else than Ortiz, Santos-Sanz and maybe some other people at the IAA possibly having witnessed events there has to be mere speculation - be it from Brown, Marsden, Rabinowitz, Stoss, you, or me. Third, it doesn't even matter. If Santos-Sanz had spotted the object and then they found evidence that Brown had already tracked it for a while, the latter wouldn't change anything about the submission. They still had to submit their data "as is" and it's up to the MPC (by its own rules) to link it with other observations if there are any. |