That was also the name of the leader of the Pilgrims. Wierd.
Well, it wasn't me.

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The Faraday story is interesting: New physics were a matter of coarse in his century. Today, new physics are only resorted to when they are necessary to salvage the existing model. I am talking specifically about the Dark Matter and Dark Energy hypotheses you eschew.

Whenever there is anomalous data such as the Pioneer experience, we should retest: Eliminate variables. Simply assuming there is something that the researchers are missing is unfair to them, and an offense to the spirit of discovery.

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I do not disagree with your thought. First try to eliminate simple explanations. If the anomaly still remains, try different hypothesis, to try to resolve the anomaly.

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In this case, I believe the Pioneer anomaly is real. I think I can see a link between a group of anomalies. I have a rough hypothesis, with no new forces or particles, that seems to explain what is observed. I will see if I can tidy it up and see what you guys think. Probably take a couple of months.

It would be funny if the hypothesis is correct, as it seems a bit obvious, if the anomalies are viewed as a group rather than individually. Particularly if no new physics is allowed.

How about a sneak preview? You never know, somebody might have some further insights or show why it isn't possible.

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Additional Spacecraft motion anomalies.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...t-anomaly.html

101101011 started a new thread on this article.

There are six sets of anomalous data relative to near-earth events that I am aware of 1) Gravitational assists, 2) Periodic displacements of the the GPS satellites during calibration 3) Displacement of Faulcutt pendelums during the delta g maxima, 4) Gravity 'B' probe calibration anomalies 5) Differential weights found in the continental mass standards when they are brought together. 6) Different values measured for 'g' in various locations.

It would be interesting to pull the net residuals for all of these unexpected observations together and look for threads of commonality.

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I have to agree with you there. I bet we'll see the results of such studies before the end of 2010. (I give such a long timeframe, because I think it will take a while to figure out how to work all the results together)

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What is a "Faulcutt pendelum", a "delta g maximum"?

I am unfamiliar with either term.

Nereid. I think that's Foucault pendulum...fixed plane of oscillation relative to the distant stars....Mach's principle. pete

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Delta g maximum is when the rate of change in the net gravitational force vector is the greatest. It is an interesting phenomenon that has not always been repeatable, but it has shown up often enough in well-controlled situations that it shouldn't be written off as an artifact...yet.

Good but old overview:

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/head...t06aug99_1.htm

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf074/sf074a05.htm

There was a lot of anticipatation prior to the 1999 solar eclipse, but very little follow-up on what was actually observed. I suspect the results were rather ambiguous:

http://pass.maths.org/issue9/xfile/

http://home.t01.itscom.net/allais/bl...a/wuchterl.htm

Obviously, more testing is needed.

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Before you ask, I had nothing to do with this.

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Ah yes, I expect you are right, trintree88 ... it seems many of Jerry's posts contain errors in key terms (and worse), errors that may be sufficiently severe as to lead to serious misunderstanding ...

So, Jerry, did you intend "Foucault pendulum"?

I once typed 'James West Telescope' - and failed to correct it. Much of what I type comes out phonetic, and I have to go back and plink threw it again. I presented on the foulcutt pendulum effect, I wonder how i spelled it then. Sometimes, I have to admit, I will leave something wrong just to see who is still listening (Try posting an equation where the units don't add up, and Celestial Mechanic always pops out of the woodwork.)

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