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Here is a link to an article titled "Modern Cosmology: Science or Folktale?" by Michael J. Disney who is emeritus professor in the School of Physics and Astronomy at Cardiff University...
http://www.americanscientist.org/tem...d/55839/page/1 The article is highly critical of the way cosmology has been practiced arguing that the number of theoretical entities has outstripped the number of observations supporting them, as the author points out: "Cosmological theories have grown increasingly complex.... The number of independent observations relevant to cosmology has also grown over time, but it has always been less than the number of free parameters in the reigning theory." The author uses dark energy, dark matter, and inflation as examples of these folktale-like theoretical entities upon which the concordance model is based. This article, in my opinion, illustrates the fragility of certain aspects of modern cosmology. The longer these entities continue to exist without direct evidence for their existence the less scientists should continue to accept them as taken for granted and established. My unofficial thesis, however, is that the discovery of dark matter particles, if they are found, will go a long way, longer then the discovery of the CMB, toward debunking skeptics such as the author of this article. Cosmologists will be able to say, hey, this was not a folktale-like theoretical entity afterall, it has more or less the properties we were inferring using a variety of observations and it provided the seeds for galaxy formation. In any case, the tone and content of the article bear an uncanny resemblence to the tone and content of Jerry's arguments. The parameters in theory versus independent observation graph sums up Jerry's argument quite well. So, I thought he would like the article and I thought I'd put it out here for he and others to comment on criticize, etc. |
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Emphasis added.He [Disney] starts with a sequence of hostile comments about the money flowing to cosmology. The subtitle expresses one of the main assertions of the article: current cosmological theory rests on a disturbingly small number of independent observations.
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I believe the Cougar's link should be: http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/08/co...ttack-too.html
Unfortunately, the blog guy acts exactly like Disney when it comes to global warming. Ah, well. |
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Meanwhile: arXiv:0708.2579 [ps, pdf, other] Title: Direction-sensitive dark matter search results in a surface laboratory Authors: Kentaro Miuchi, Kaori Hattori, Shigeto Kabuki, Hidetoshi Kubo, Shunsuke Kurosawa, Hironobu Nishimura, Yoko Okada, Atsushi Takada, Toru Tanimori, Ken'ichi Tsuchiya, Kazuki Ueno, Hiroyuki Sekiya, Atsushi Takeda Comments: 9 figures, accepted for publication in Phys. Lett. B Subjects: Astrophysics (astro-ph) Quote:
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Disney's attitude is not new. I disagree with him, and with his idea of what cosmology is & should be doing. I think cosmology has been extremely successful, and is as valid as any other science. This does not mean that I think modern cosmologists are infallible, or bound to be right. But I strongly disagree with Disney's implicit assumption that cosmologists are morons.
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The Disney paper presents an image of cosmology that is the same as Jerry’s and as Tim Thompson has observe, Disney applies the same root reasoning. It is a much more succinct read than Jerry's tyrates.
But there is a fundamental difference: Disney claims the parametric extensions known as cosmology include assumptions not legitimately grounded in first principles. Jerry, as Neried and others have pointed out, lodges the same complaint, and then turns around and argues first principles are also incorrect. The absurdity of this position (that the Newtonian equivalence principle is incorrect) is mitigated by his claim that this extraordinary hypothesis is readily testable: If it is true, the rather terrestrial looking surface of Titan must indeed be terrestrial: Silicate sand, sulfur, magna, carbonates, limestones and a heavy lacing of iron and other metals which are much too heavy to construct the skin of Titan, given Newtonian constraints of Titan’s density. http://www.chem.hawaii.edu/Bil301/Titan2008.html Quote:
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Is this paper for real? Data? Analysis? Do adjectives count for debate points? What is the point of this paper?
A Sober Assessment of Cosmology at the New Millennium By: Michael S. Turner http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0102057 Quote:
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Compare M. Turner’s paper to M. Bell and D.McDiarmid's paper:
"An Abrupt Upper Envelope Cut-off in the Distribution of Angular Motions in Quasar Jets is compatible in all respects with a Simple Non-Relativistic Ejection Model" http://aps.arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0701093 This is one of a group of 16 papers by Morley Bell. Each paper has data and analysis (multiple graphs) which support a proposition that is presented as a hypothesis. (Bell presents and discusses competing hypotheses.) I do not understand why postulating “Inflation”, “Dark Energy/Matter", or speculation concerning the first three minutes is considered to be the “boldest of enterprises” as compared to Morley’s hypothesis that is is supported by data and analysis. Abstract Quote:
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Bell is arguing that the redshift measured in certain types of objects presents a distorted picture of how distant the objects are, and hence their size. There are very few astrophysicists who agree with Bell's interpretation of the data, but I think everyone agrees it is a puzzle that can be arranged in many different ways. It is also worth mentioning that believing the universe sits on the back of a giant turtle is also a cosmology. In this respect, scientific cosmology is generally granted a little more license than most sciences, but not much. In theory this license ends when observations no longer agree with the cosmology. But it is really hard to prove the universe does not sit on the back of a giant turtle.
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Please note I am not defending Disney’s paper or attempting to holistically attack the standard cosmological model. It is an interesting theory.
Does this article defend “cosmology”? It could be a mistake to compare cosmology to string theory. String theory is not a theory. http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/08/co...ttack-too.html Quote:
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Perhaps one way to assess the debate is to ask, is modern cosmology approaching "closure" or not, where I define "closure" to mean, the point where new independent observations agree with the current deduced parameter set-- they do not require the introduction of new parameters. It was my impression that modern cosmology is indeed approaching closure-- it's true that we got three big kicks in the pants with the need for inflation, dark matter, and dark energy, but more recent observations have not required new interpretations or new parameters. The convergence of the Hubble parameter is kind of a subset of this overall trend, and the other key parameters seem to be coming into focus more and more. For me to think cosmology is really in such a sorry state, I would need to see some new independent cosmological measurement that also requires the introduction of a new free parameter into the model. If I see that, then I'll say "OK, Disney was right", but if new observations just require minor tinkering, I'll conclude the opposite. Perhaps the jury is still out on that.
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The theory of inflation predicts a flat universe with omega=1. During the early-to-mid 1990s, it became incresingly obvious that the matter density was not enough to create such conditions. Would it be fair and reasonable to say that inflation required and therefore predicted a nonzero energy density (in other words, dark energy)?
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Detections of Gravimetric waves and/or Whimps, would be leading toward closure. Otherwise, we have what was expected, what is being observed, and the parametric changes necessary to mate the two.
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That is...Non-Baryonic Dark Matter is NOT Big Bang Theory Dependent ![]() Inflation was/is a mathematical "Fix", and Dark Energy/Anti-Gravity is the end game in finding the 74% missing universe (Lambda) once you plug in the HYPOTHESIZED WIMP CDM model to TRY and say what that Non-baryonic Dark Matter is "Doing". The Non-Baryonic DM is necessary for the rotation curves of the galaxies and the cluster dynamics, and that in and of itself is NOT 'Global'. IF that Non-baryonic DM is Neutrino-like, then the first and last terms are... ![]() Infact, if that were the case, then it would be reasonable to say that the Non-Baryonic Dark Matter, is the 96% ![]() Then, how that 'gets here' would become part of the initial conditions for how our universe is working. |