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Old 11-December-2007, 11:45 PM
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Solving solar system quandaries is simple: Just flip-flop the position of Uranus and Neptune

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Four billion years ago, early in the solar system’s evolution, Uranus and Neptune switched places.

This is the result of recent work by Steve Desch, assistant professor in the School of Earth and Space Exploration at Arizona State University. The work appears in this week’s Astrophysical Journal. Desch based his conclusion on his calculations of the surface density of the solar nebula. The solar nebula is the disk of gas and dust out of which all of the planets formed. The surface density – or mass per area – of the solar nebula protoplanetary disk is a fundamental quantity needed to calculate everything from how fast planets grow to the types of chemicals they are likely to contain.
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The wandering (eh) of planets may have caused the late heavy bombardment (see this; the site has a nice animation of how the orbits of giant planets may have evolved).
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Planetary migration not only make the formation of Uranus and Neptune possible, but it also explains why the Kuiper belt is not nearly as massive as it should. Also the various resonances in Kuiper belt and the main asteroid belt can be explained by moving planets, as well as Trojan asteroids. Since closely-orbiting extrasolar planets must have migrated, this doesn't sound at all far-fetched. When Saturn's orbit became unstable, our Solar System must have looked very strange with many eccentric orbits.
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The wandering (eh) of planets may have caused the late heavy bombardment (see this; the site has a nice animation of how the orbits of giant planets may have evolved).
Hi, Thanks for the link. Fascinating.
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I wish they'd switch back. Uranus resolves to a disk in my scope but Neptune is a much prettier shade of blue. Unfortunately it's just a dot or at least a very small disk.
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The 14 February issue of Science News had a very nice article on the latest modeling of the late heavy bombardment, including the work linked to in post # 2.
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At the meeting, the observers presented new analyses of data first gathered nearly 40 years ago when the Apollo spacecraft landed on the moon and brought back moon rocks — one of the best preserved records of the solar system’s tumultuous first 700 million years. Theorists presented their latest version of a theory that could account for several unexplained features of the solar system, including the violent era between 4 billion and 3.9 billion years ago known as the late heavy bombardment, when the planets were pelted with debris.
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Thanks Swift, Kullat (and ToSeek)...very informative and thought provoking material.

Swift,,,unfortunately, can't load your link, right now...could be my end of it...i'll try again later....thanks anyway...
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Swift,,,unfortunately, can't load your link, right now...could be my end of it...i'll try again later....thanks anyway...
I just did so again with no problem - I don't know why you had difficulties
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I just did so again with no problem - I don't know why you had difficulties
ya the link is working for me as well. thanks for posting it swift.
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The first paragraph seems to imply that water and other compounds essential to life were delivered to the inner planets after their formation from the outer solar system, presumably during the LHB, yet later in the article they say the Earth was already wet and suitable for life soon after its formation.
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Four billion years ago is an awfully long time to speculate about. Whereas, Velikovsky thought Saturn was a captured Brown Dwarf with Venus as one of its planets. He also thought that Uranus was turned on its side by a close passage of Saturn on its way in... His opinion is rather less than scientifically proven, but intersting nevertheless. By the way, he also predicted most of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn would be composed of water ice. As I mentioned earlier, four billion years is an awfully long time to speculate about and since anything can happen and usually does happen, why not speculate? By the way, I am NOT a proponent of Velikovsky's ideas but bring up the point, just because.
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