The earth will be passing below the celestial equator. This means that the magnetic poles of the planet will shift. Now scientists believe the mantle of the earth will actually spin (which it has been doing since creation just on a much slower scale)around the core of the planet. We know the mantle is moving , the north pole is 12 degrees off where it was 20 years ago. We are already seeing the effect. Polar ice cap melting is just as much if not more related to the positioning of the ice caps and the relative amount of radiation they are receiving from the sun as it is to greenhouse gasses. As the earth gets closer to crossing the "divide" and due to the plate movement across the face of the earth we are starting to see a greater concentration of large scale earthquakes , volcanic activity (anak krakatoa has begun to spew again), as well as catastrophic storms.

Toutatis 4179: Toutatis is an asteroid that has passed the earth now 6 times. Upon its 7th pass (december of 2012) the suns positioning in the galaxy will put the earth in direct line of this 4km PHA (potentially Hazardous asteroid large enough to cause SEVERE shock waves across the planet). We know all things travel to the center of gravity then back out again. NASA has a webpage set up where you can view all NEO's (near earth objects) and PHA's. Toutatis is on the list. This oddly enough is prophetic in that nostradamus , mother shipton , Myrddin (Merlin , yes there was a person or group of people who made predictions under the name myrddin) and also the wormwood prediction in Revelations of the Bible have some mention of this event.


Anyones thoughts, frankly it scares me.

It won't. The celestial equator is centred on the Earth.

They don't. Or at least, no more than the slight asynchrony between core and mantle that already exists.

It isn't. Only a very slight knowledge of astronomy and a look at the night sky is enough to assure us that this hasn't happened.

From that table, predicted closest approach in 2012 is > 0.04 AU, with a chance of impact < one billion.
All things do not "travel to the centre of gravity and then back out again".


It seems there probably isn't very much to be alarmed about.

Grant Hutchison

I'm alarmed at the length of the topic list below, which has just increased by one. It's provided for anyone interested in perusing some previous discussions of the year 2012 in BAUT. Otherwise, shield your eyes.

2003 no, 2012 si
2012
Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012?
2012 alignment question
about the Mayan 2012 item
2012 Debunking?
Possible asteroid impact in 2012?
2012 asteroid?
We don't have to worry about 2012!
More on 2012 from India Daily
2012 Completion of conspiracy?
Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012...
crop circles, Planet X and 2012
Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma
According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012?
More 2012 Nonsense
NEO 2012?
Dangerous NEO in 2012?
Christmas 2012
2012 mayan calender end of world
Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012
New 2012 threat?
2012 look at this thing on the sun
Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012
Pole shift idea origins
Dec 20 2012
2012 Stuff
Horizon Project-New End of World Scare?
Date: December 21st 2012
Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen?
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)
So what will we see in 2012?
Galactic Tsunami?
Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy?
Earth's Magnetic Field & 2012
2012?
Any truth to this?
How can the sun be aligned with Galactic centre?
the whole 2012 poles flip nonsense
Planet X Official Advertisement
What year are we in
Quick question about the sun
Galactic Alignment
Books of 2012! -
2007 = 2012
Return of Planet X By Rand
Don Alejandro - Mayan Elder.
Toutatis 4179: 2012?

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Yes, I have just fitted an exponential curve to the posting rate on this topic, using the Warren Platts(TM) method.
It would appear that the number of new posters on this topic will exceed the population of the world in December 2012, with p<0.000001.
The world will end because no-one is doing anything else but posting to BAUT.

Grant Hutchison

To be honest what i posted was copied from someone else
on another forum.

But you are 100% sure about what you said
grant?

I mean science can't explain everything, but it most cases yes, and i just don't see how you can predict the future how when it hasn't even happened.

You can predict certain things but thats by observing and such (science), but
i have a strong sense in metaphysics aswell aslong as it doesn't cross borders.

Nonetheless this was the only thing i wanted to post, but im quite interested in many other things. Such as blackholes, does the universe have a specific reason for them such as are they needed? Or it is just physics.

Anyway thanks, but if anyone would like to put anymore input please do so.

Very, very sure.

The supposed astronomical alignment in 2012 doesn't involve the celestial equator. It's supposed to involve an alignment between the earth, sun and centre of the galaxy, but:
a) the alignment happens approximately every year
b) the closest to perfect alignment has already occurred
c) there is no discernible gravitational effect on the earth from such an alignment. The galaxy pulls on the sun and the earth all the time, to a minuscule degree.

Given that the forces from any such alignment are vanishingly tiny and that we are constantly exposed to them anyway, there's no reason for the mantle and core of the Earth to suddenly swing around: we get hauled around by the other planets to a much greater extent, and nothing happens.

It really requires only the most trivial knowledge of astronomy to realize that the pole has not shifted. A glance at the pole star, a check on the length of the day .... There are many, many ways to be sure that hasn't happened.

The return of Toutatis is just part of a four-year cycle that has been successfully predicted, in detail, several times now, along with many many other movements of many other celestial bodies. They do what physics predicts.

Then you've got to wonder how people who predict disaster in 2012 can possibly know such a thing, or even think they know such a thing.
Add to that the fact that they can't even be bothered to check their facts about this alleged pole shift by going out and looking at the sky ... who are you going to believe?

Grant Hutchison

But what a way to go!

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The bar has been lowered for the promotion of ATM ideas; the bar for the acceptance of ATM ideas must remain high.

I pointed out to posters on another forum, also alarmed about the earth passing through the plane of the galaxy that this not the case at all. The apparent effect is described as a result of precession, not a physical motion of the solar system. And as you point out, Grant, it happens at least twice per year as well as the earth orbits the sun.

The solar system is somewhat inclined in its orbit around the galaxy and so during its revolution, physically passes through the plane of the galaxy but this is on a period of about 32 million years. It will not happen in 2012, however as it last happened about 3 million years ago.

http://www.americanscientist.org/tem...d/21173/page/2

That's a relief to know. Let me guess, was it on godlikeproductions?


Remarkably, this was the only factual sentence in the entire post.

I'm guessing either the Graham Hancock Message Board or Above Top Secret.

A very slight addition - what Grant is talking about is the rotational north pole. The magnetic north pole does move around over time and has been doing this for billions of years. Good website on this from the Canadian government

I completely agree with Grant, Wakatah, this is not stuff to worry about. Humans seem to have been predicting the end of the world for as long as they have been human. Search around BAUT for many of these discussions.

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Nope i got it from the history channel website forum

Lately the Hitler, uhh, I mean, History Channel has acquired a reputation almost as bad as Godlike Productions or Rense.com, what with their programs about Nostradamus and such.

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The bar has been lowered for the promotion of ATM ideas; the bar for the acceptance of ATM ideas must remain high.

I'll second what Celestial Mechanic said, the History Channel shows a lot of nonsense. I don't know how their forums are moderated, but if not well, anyone could post even sillier nonsense there. You can't believe everything you see on the web. You might want to post a link to the actual website (though there are limits on new members posting links).

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Ah yes. Good point.
Likewise, of course, we'd know if the magnetic or geomagnetic pole had moved a large distance unexpectedly.
For one thing, I'd have walked over a cliff in the mist a couple of weeks ago, since my route-finding was based on the assumption that my compass was pointing in the usual direction. Even in these high-tech days, ships and planes still carry magnetic compasses, the behaviour of which is regularly checked. The magnetic north pole has drifted only about five degrees in the last fifty years; still enough to mean I've had to slightly adjust my compass over the decades, but nothing surprising or unusual.

Grant Hutchison

There is a hypothesis in geology known as "true polar wander" which posits that mass imbalance may cause the crust of the earth to wander into a more balanced location relative to our center of inertia. The idea fell into disfavor and has recently gained a resurgence in research with simulations demonstrating the feasibility: http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/513967.html

It is theorized such a shift occured during the Cambrian period. It is important to note, however, that this shift occurs rapidly in geologic time (thousands of years) but slowly in human time (thousands of years).



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