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Old 11-May-2008, 08:55 AM
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The Jupiter 2?
We have found gas giants in our galaxy already. This discovery sounds like something new.
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We have found gas giants in our galaxy already. This discovery sounds like something new.
Consider yourself whooshed.

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But could it be possible to find Population III stars within our galaxy?

I've always thought they are ancient objects and very distant as such.
They are supposed to be, but there is also the idea that some Pop III "remnants" can be found in our galaxy, see this review. There are already reports of very low metallicity Pop II stars, although none have the characteristics thought to match real Pop II stars. Let's wait for the press release.

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Ooh, ooh... What is it? What is it?
In live chat Sunday May 11, the Bad Astonomer commented on this alert. I listened without my full attention. So my specific memories are likely to be off.

His take was that it's certain to be cool news, for those interested in space and astronomy science, but that it's almost certain not to be revolutionary news, earth-shaking news.

They do these kind of news alerts all the time and it's never the sort of thing that the more excitable members of our species (like the ones who are predicting an announcment of an approaching alien invasion, or Planet X, or... you know the type) imagine/fear/fantasize it will be. It will just be yet another typical revelation of a discovery that happens in ordinary scientific progress. Happens all the time.

He commented that he needs to contact the NASA public relations people and offer advice to change their ways, perhaps to like the Hubble PR people who announce upcoming news maybe just 2 days in advance. As it is, NASA PR's practice of offering veiled hints, to entice interest, but to avoid tipping off the actual news, done a whole week in advance, just gives too many people a chance to get worked up over nothing and is probably counterproductive to good science and good outreach.
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Aww, I wanna be doomed!!!!!
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Aww, I wanna be doomed!!!!!
And so you shall be. We all reach the end of our production run eventually, some sooner than others, sort of like a certain car.
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In live chat Sunday May 11, the Bad Astonomer commented on this alert....
Your recollection of what the BA said is very close to what I remember. Good job!

He's right, if you start a lot of speculation that something you're going to reveal is "earthshaking" (as in the result of a 50+ year hunt), you had better deliver, or else there will be a backlash.
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And so you shall be. We all reach the end of our production run eventually, some sooner than others, sort of like a certain car.
Yes, but I want there to be an Earth shattering kaboom to be involved! I want panic in the streets, cats and dogs living togther! Real wrath of God type stuff.
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Yes, but I want there to be an Earth shattering kaboom to be involved! I want panic in the streets, cats and dogs living togther! Real wrath of God type stuff.
Guess you wouldn't be much of a T. S. Eliot fan then:
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Personally my guess is NASA has found a Boojum.
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Yes, but I want there to be an Earth shattering kaboom to be involved! I want panic in the streets, cats and dogs living togther! Real wrath of God type stuff.
That would have to be a Pinto then...
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Yes, but I want there to be an Earth shattering kaboom to be involved! I want panic in the streets, cats and dogs living togther! Real wrath of God type stuff.
SO BE GOOD for goodness' sake! Whoa-a-a-oh, somebody's comin'!
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...NASA has found a Boojum
Clearly we're all doomed!
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Old 12-May-2008, 02:21 PM
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Clearly we're all doomed!
And ominously the news will be released day after tomorrow.

Just a coincidence? Well I don't think so!

We're doomed.
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They are supposed to be, but there is also the idea that some Pop III "remnants" can be found in our galaxy, see this review. There are already reports of very low metallicity Pop II stars, although none have the characteristics thought to match real Pop II stars. Let's wait for the press release.

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Good article. Thanks!
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Old 12-May-2008, 03:27 PM
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In live chat Sunday May 11, the Bad Astonomer commented on this alert. I listened without my full attention. So my specific memories are likely to be off.

His take was that it's certain to be cool news, for those interested in space and astronomy science, but that it's almost certain not to be revolutionary news, earth-shaking news.

They do these kind of news alerts all the time and it's never the sort of thing that the more excitable members of our species (like the ones who are predicting an announcment of an approaching alien invasion, or Planet X, or... you know the type) imagine/fear/fantasize it will be. It will just be yet another typical revelation of a discovery that happens in ordinary scientific progress. Happens all the time.

He commented that he needs to contact the NASA public relations people and offer advice to change their ways, perhaps to like the Hubble PR people who announce upcoming news maybe just 2 days in advance. As it is, NASA PR's practice of offering veiled hints, to entice interest, but to avoid tipping off the actual news, done a whole week in advance, just gives too many people a chance to get worked up over nothing and is probably counterproductive to good science and good outreach.
Good points. Building hype is a two edged sword.

On one hand NASA needs a certain amount of hype in it's media relations. I wrote on another forum:
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NASA has to reach the media and catch media's interest somehow. Otherwise their discoveries and achievements would go unnoticed, which is not acceptable for a publicly funded organization IMO. In this single case NASA's media person had to use 2-3 sentences to make media interested enough to join next week's teleconference and possibly report on that.

We have to remember that the media advisory I posted here is meant for the members of the media, not general public per se. It's a sort of an invitation to the media and I guess they get many similar advisories within a single week even from NASA. So to make this one stand out NASA's representative chose to use big words. Are they just hype or is there something significant behind this we'll know next week. But the will-be news do sound interesting!
And on the other hand hyped and veiled messages may build wild, unscientific and counterproductive speculation. I don't think there's an absolute way to avoid it - but I agree that limiting the advance to 2-3 days could be a very good idea.
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BA Blog: No, NASA hasn’t found aliens

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Without doubt this is some very interesting astronomical discovery, but not something that will wipe out life, or change our view of humanity in the Universe forever. It just wouldn’t be released this way. Bear in mind that the press pre-release mentions the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, which is essentially blind to incoming asteroids, and wouldn’t be the right instrument to use to see them. Obviously, whatever this discovery is it involves X-rays, and those only come from a handful of sources. But they’re very interesting objects astronomically, so whatever this thing is I’m sure it will still be really cool. Just not aliens-invading cool.
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