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Old 09-October-2003, 04:33 AM
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Are we (humans) four dimensional or three dimensional?
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What is the fourth dimension?

How does it relate to humans?

Or reality in general?
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What's the difference between "dimensional" and "density"

That could be an interesting question
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How'd whales get there?
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As far as I understand it (probably wide of the mark)

All physical objects in our universe have three dimensions of space and one of time; there is no freedom of movement in the temporal dimension,
but physical objects exist as a progression of events through this temporal dimension.

On top of that the three spatial dimensions are described as being curved by gravity, and sometimes are considered to be multiply connected into loops or hyperspheres and so on; this curvature doesn't happen in a spatial dimension but a nonphysical one apparently, but that is too weird even for me.
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Early '70's graffiti spotted thruout San Francisco's Mission District:
"Gravity is the 4th dimension"
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What's the difference between "dimensional" and "density"

That could be an interesting question
According to the woowoo sites (like godlike) densities are the spiritual equivalents of physical dimensions, with most people now striving for the 4th density in which love, peace and happiness and understanding will govern the world, (isn't that like the same as bush's compassionat conservatism? oops off topic [-X ). Just do a google search on fourth density and you will get all the info (if you need it).
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We're in eleven dimensions actually.
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Please explain.
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Three dimensions of space.
One dimension of time.
Seven quantum dimensions.
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Three dimensions of space.
One dimension of time.
Seven quantum dimensions.
Well, maybe. String theory, which does show a good deal of promise in being able to explain a lot of things, has this tiny little hitch that it only works if there are the extra dimensions Glom referred to. The reason proposed for why we don't notice them is that they might be really, really small ("compactified" is the term used). There is an effort to actually detect these directly (for example, looking for deviations from the inverse square law of gravity at very short ranges), but so far there's been no confirmation. So I'd personally leave the eleven-dimensional universe in the category of "promising theory" rather than consider it well established fact.
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Can velocity/energy be counted as a form of an extra dimension?

Id like to see 3rd dimension objects exist without it.
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Could anyone link to an explanation of what 'dimensions' are exactly?
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Open to inetrpretation?

I interept it as a state of physical being. Or levels of existance but I could be completely wrong
Thats ok cause ill just blame de wife since she takes credit for my successes she can take the blame for my faults too

eg: 3 dimemsions creates an inanimate world space object while a 4th dimension consisting of time allows it to animate (or the opposite is time prevents everything happening at once)
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Technically, any property is considered a dimension, whether that be spatial displacement, velocity, mass, temperature.
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Actually, string theory "only" requires 10 dimensions. Brane theory is the one that requires 11.
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Could anyone link to an explanation of what 'dimensions' are exactly?
A dimension is an independent variable of state. In classical physics, it takes four variables to describe an event. The seven quantum dimensions are essentially zero for anything larger than an atom.
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Default [color=red] [size=24]The anthropormophic experience of 4-D [

Informally polled, noted & voted consistently the most abbreviated and comprehensive - non-mathematical - explanation for the 4-D quality and meaning of all physical material consisting of the fundamental building blocks - neutrons, protons and electrons (mu mesons, et al). This certainly includes humans.

http://einstein.periphery.cc/
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Word is that there is a hazard of the devoted reader who simply absorbs the 54 page condensation of a 637 page edition of this unprecedented approach to explaining Einstein's Special, General & Unified Fields (of relaativity) - that upon completion of the abbreviated quick and easy read, many people's socks have been reported to inexplicably roll up and down for as long as six weeks to as many years.
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What is the fourth dimension?

How does it relate to humans?

Or reality in general?
Hey Freddo:
Aren't you the same fellow who posted something like 'In the early '70's the Mission District in San Francisco was abundant with graffiti that says:

GRAVITY IS THE 4TH DIMENSION.
:roll:

Well. Some people say that the 4th D is time; whereas that's what Einstein says also, however, identifying it as the 4th D doesn't exclude it's inherent bond with time, but rather expands on it (in more ways than one).
There's a guy calling himself 'JediKnight Tane (oeis) YadaYada', who has sent me an email (12/3/04) saying that because you posted that observation about the 4-D graffiti in San Francisco, I must not have authored it. Don't understand the man's reasoning. Anyway I did write, publish and copyright - have done so eight times, in two hard copy essays and six hard cover small press books, distributed all over the United States and Europe via the WHOLE EARTH CATALOGUE (Portola Institute), and sold out in 41 bookstores all over California, especially in Berkeley, San Francisco and L.A.

I think the guy can't get over the bruhaugh he's beating his own system with on my site - Albert - 'The Axe' - Einstein', at Delphiforums.com.
His latest gambit is that the 'Gravity is the 4-d' graffiti in S.F. Mission District since the early '70's means I didn't write the book of the same title. Check this, please, yer in it and it's interesting what this YadaYada fellow divined from it. (Any suggestions. Advise? Questions? Do you know how to reach the guy? So far he hasn't responded to me anywhere but in email and my Delphi Forums site but always on another frequency of some kind. Other than AM or FM? Maybe he just doesn't want to know?

Email message received 12/3/04 from the same guy who’s already vanquished himself on the Delphi ‘Albert -‘The Axe’ - Einstein forum. He apparently isn’t through augering in yet - seems to think he’s got a point or points against this record - in and out of the S.F. Mission District in the early ‘70's - ‘graffiti all over that neighborhood’.

Guess we’ll have to explain that we climbed the Golden Gate Bridge in August ‘71, and made page 2 of the CHRONICLE on 8 August, along with page 5 of the EXAMINER on page 5, 8/7/ ‘71, and that this low budget publicity tactic made all channels of local TV that night, and the CHRONICLE and EXAMINER the next morning.

This record lived in San Francisco’s Haight Street and Mission District, from ‘68 to ‘80, whereas the graffiti all over the Mission District has been and continues to be witnessed by literally millions of people, all over the San Francisco Peninsula, as well as on the subway walls of New York City, for the past 34 years.
No way did I spray all the tags, that's illegal you know. Whereas it seems several of the overzealous readers of my obscurely known but widely distributed, sold out and modestly applauded work, condensed from 627 to 54 pages. accessible at ...


http://einstein.periphery.cc/

(I misplaced my epic spectacles, while making one of my website URL?)

....are doing a little low budget coast to coast advertising. I think, therefore I think I think...

Far beyond the venerable parameters of the S.F. Mission District.
(The JediKnight Tane oesis YadaYada reprobate insists on sieging tilted windmills - keeps making points against himself in the name of out-scoring truly yours... [-X

Sounds like Bkparque’s <google famous> HALF VAST UNIVERSE is definitely on another endless Easter egg- roll... Mr. Brian Kirk Parquette - the most original source of 2nd hand information on the net, also has some enchanting posts about truly yours, 'all over the net', also. Enter Kent Benjamin Robertson in google and behold the works of some of my more affectionate and sensitive - if severely brain damaged, desperately covetous, premiere prevaricating groupies... <I've trid not to let fame spoil me?>) #-o

* Below is the message he emailed me, 2 December, 04. I think he thinks he's smoked my credibility in my 'impersonation' of the author of Gravity Is The 4th Dimension... He's apparently a young enough JediKnight to think that neither myself or any of my seven books and twelve essays even existed, that long ago. 8)

The first asterisked statement was the title of the email he sent, before I opened it. Then you go through several paragraphs of alphabet soup to encounter his quote of your quote, out of the Bad Astronomy forum, which I happen to have discovered, exclusively due to Mr. Yada's apparently unending disdain for and resentment of me (I can't possibly be who I am?). 8)

I happen to like BAD ASTRONOMY forum very much. It's truly not bad at all. Edifying is a better if fancier word. I have Mr. Yada to thank for knowing you exist also, apparently having done so in the past, in and around the S.F. Mission District it seems... Thanks for the P.R., though I never thought anyone would take it so acerbically - attempt to hold it against me as proof that it's not my title or my six sold out editions of a very well received small press book.

Of course all of this blurb is promotionally motivated, but then, I have been fortunate enough to find something more fun and interesting to tout than most issues or persons. Anyway, modesty, as you may already have gathered, is one of my stronger and more charming suits. Meanwhile, check this (Yer getting famous - we're both unexpectedly blessed with an apparently powerfully motivated promoter....

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...What is the fourth dimension?---freddo

Early '70's graffiti spotted thruout San Francisco's Mission District:
"Gravity is the 4th dimension"


Anyway. I hope Mr Yada feels better soon.
(Will you let me know if you hear from or about him?)

Sincerely
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Early '70's graffiti spotted thruout San Francis