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Old 13-November-2008, 07:41 AM
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Exclamation Keck telescope *SEES* three-planet system!

Astronomers Capture First Images of Newly-Discovered Solar System

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The new solar system orbits the dusty young star named HR8799, which is 140 light years away and about 1.5 times the size of our sun. Three planets, roughly 10, 9 and 6 times the mass of Jupiter, orbit the star. The sizes of the planets decrease with distance from the parent star, much like the giant planets do in our system.

And there may be more planets out there that scientists just haven’t seen yet.
“Every extrasolar planet detected so far has been a wobble on a graph. These are the first pictures of an entire system,” said Bruce Macintosh, an astrophysicist from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and one of the key authors of a paper appearing in the Nov. 13 issue of Science Express. “We've been trying to image planets for eight years with no luck and now we have pictures of three planets at once.”
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Never mind the economy!

At least forget it for a few minutes and dwell upon the notion of imaging another system.

Imagine all the moons.

I call dibs on the yellow one.

There's got to be a yellow one.
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Never mind the economy!

At least forget it for a few minutes and dwell upon the notion of imaging another system.

Imagine all the moons.

I call dibs on the yellow one.

There's got to be a yellow one.
01...Green. It's got to be green. I want the one made of green cheese.. pete
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WOW!
I assume that the disk in the middle of the picture is the dust disk. So they are not imaging the star itself in that image. I wonder if the dust disk helped with the planet imaging, blocking the light from the star?
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Never mind the economy!

At least forget it for a few minutes and dwell upon the notion of imaging another system.

Imagine all the moons.

I call dibs on the yellow one.

There's got to be a yellow one.
And since the closest planet to the star is 24 AU out, that leaves plenty of room for something smaller to be hanging out there, just waiting to be discovered.
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The fourth directly detected planet announced today, the one Hubble saw, orbits Fomalhaut.
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First Light! Woot!
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A yellow star? A green star?

Would you believe blue for HR8799?

"The host star is a bright, blue A-type star, which has been mostly neglected in ground and space-based direct imaging survey since it offers a less favorable contrast between the bright star and faint planet"

I would bet it is primarily white with a tinge of blue. Once the colors are finally determined, the news should be ready for public attention.
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"The furthest planet in the new system orbits just inside a disk of dusty debris, similar to that produced by the comets of the Kuiper belt of our solar system (just beyond the orbit of Neptune at 30 times Earth-sun distance)."

Hoe exactly did they determine this?
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WOW!
I assume that the disk in the middle of the picture is the dust disk. So they are not imaging the star itself in that image. I wonder if the dust disk helped with the planet imaging, blocking the light from the star?
No, the dust disk is exterior to the planets.
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Actually, sounds like they mention both.

"The furthest planet in the new system orbits just inside a disk of dusty debris, similar to that produced by the comets of the Kuiper belt of our solar system (just beyond the orbit of Neptune at 30 times Earth-sun distance)."

"HR 8799's dust disk stands out as one of the most massive in orbit around any star within 300 light years of Earth," said UCLA'S Ben Zuckerman."
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Here's one of the Gemini Observatory images.

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Actually, sounds like they mention both.

"The furthest planet in the new system orbits just inside a disk of dusty debris, similar to that produced by the comets of the Kuiper belt of our solar system (just beyond the orbit of Neptune at 30 times Earth-sun distance)."

"HR 8799's dust disk stands out as one of the most massive in orbit around any star within 300 light years of Earth," said UCLA'S Ben Zuckerman."
I assume that English is not your first language. The fact that they mention "dust disk" twice does not imply that there are two dust disks.
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I would bet it is primarily white with a tinge of blue.
George, you're obsessed!
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True, I'm a colorful catalyst, at best.

[Added: Besides, as Kahn (Ricardo) would say, "they task me!" ]
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I think they should give a proper name to the first planet found. Due to the fact that it was Herschel that discovered in 1781 the very first planet for mankind beyond the ones that had been known for centuries, I think this first planet seen directly by telescope can only have one name given it....
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George. [Name Herschel gave his discovery, only to have it ripped from him by demented minds that insisted a name like Uranus was better. ]
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This is awesome in the extreme and probably one of the most important milestones in astronomy in recent years.

With the experience gained and larger, more sensitive equipment that is constantly coming on line - lets hope this is one of many.
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The fourth directly detected planet announced today, the one Hubble saw, orbits Fomalhaut.
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I am curious if Fomalhaut b was "the first" direct observation or if one of the other three were?
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I've been to Fomalhaut in Elite II. Nice place to visit but i wouldn't want to live there.
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It is sweet to know that now that Hubble is nearing its last years it still managed to image an extrasolar planet. Finding extrasolar planets was one of the tasks where it was hoped to be successful.
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I agree - I like it when a machine outlives its design life yet still is useful. Like a B-52 or the mars rovers. They just keep on going.
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Very cool news, along with the Hubble picture of Fomalhaut b!
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When a new planet swims into his ken;
Or like stout Cortez when with eagle eyes
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Amazing photos of what we now know must be common out there. Exciting discoveries must be just around the corner.

Does anyone know if the binocular telescope on Mt. Grahm has had any luck yet in detecting any extra solar planets? Wasn't it hoped that it would use interferometry to help do this?
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New Scientist Space: Hubble spotted the outermost planet 10 years ago.
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Is there a way people can get involved in processing these old Hubble images as the New Scientist article suggests ? I know that there is a website where one can get involved in the search for exoplanets using other techniques.
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