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Old 06-November-2009, 06:51 PM
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Default Arp 202 and bonus galaxy NGC 2724

Arp 202 is a pair of interacting galaxies about 150 million light-years from us in southern Lynx. Arp classed them under Galaxies not classifiable as E or S; Material ejected from nuclei. I'm not sure what "material" he is referring to. He comments; "Faint tail from small galaxy". I don't know if this refers to the faint fuzz at the west end of it or the three objects that trail to the west. The first is just a star, at least it isn't in the SDSS. The other two are separate galaxies per the SDSS though no red shift is provided. To me they appear far distant galaxies though the Kanipe-Webb book consider this the tail. I see no difference between these two and a third galaxy directly below the eastern (middle of the three objects) galaxy. Arp became obsessed with the idea of galaxies ejecting objects and it appears his opinion of this pair may have colored by this concept.

Arp 202 is composed of two galaxies NGC 2719 and 2719A. Both are classed as Im pec. The third major galaxy in the image is the nice two arm spiral, NGC 2724, SAB(s)c, with a red shift that puts it about 5 million light-years further away than Arp 202. Such a difference is immaterial so it is considered a member of the same group as Arp 202. There are two small galaxies to its right. The red one has a red shift indicating a distance of a bit over 1.4 billion light-years. Oddly, the blue spiral above it isn't in the NED SDSS database. It has hundreds of far fainter galaxies in this field but not this rather bright one. Nor could I find any entry for it at NED or SIMBAD.

The small elongated almost double looking galaxy SE of Arp 202 is SDSS J090028.22+354009.8, also a member of the Arp 202 system. The blue spindle galaxy NE of Arp 202 is SDSS J090029.38+354840.6 and is also a member of the Arp 202 group. Half way between Arp 202 and the last galaxy is a very orange galaxy just above a brighter blue star. This galaxy is SDSS J090029.38+354840.6 and is about 1.4 billion light-years distant.

In keeping with the trend that blue is a member of the Arp 202 group and red isn't we come to SDSS J090043.64+354829.0 directly east of the blue spindle. It is 1.1 billion light-years away. The relatively large red spindle NW of Arp 202 is SDSS J085935.91+355242.6 and it is almost 1.4 billion light-years from us as is SDSS J085939.37+355413.7, the round red galaxy to its north east. The spindle galaxy is very unsymmetrical with a far fatter and brighter disk to the SE than to the NW of the core. I wonder what caused that. Is the disk warped so we see it more face on to the SE or is it really less massive to the NW? Between the spindle at 1.1 billion light-years and Arp 202, much nearer the former is another rather bright reddish galaxy. It is SDSS J085943.03+355048.9 at a bit under 1 billion light-years.

I've made an annotated image with the distances in billions of light-years noted. Several other galaxies and a quasar are in the image that are also noted on this image besides these I've mentioned. The interesting thing is that one of the galaxies is actually more distant, not by much, than one of the the quasars in the image. Both are over 3 billion light years distant. But the quasar at 8.4 billion light years is a lot further away. Of course Arp likely wouldn't agree and might say they were emitted by Arp 202 rather recently. The most distant quasar in the image is also the brightest. This Arp would jump on instantly. It's red shift puts it at 11.65 billion light years away. The photons I captured have traveled more than twice the age of our solar system and possibly longer than our galaxy even existed. In fact the light left when the universe was only about 2 billion years old. It boggles the mind to think about.

One of the distant galaxies I've noted but not mentioned yet is SDSS J090107.85+353657.1 at 1.8 billion light-years near the bottom of the image. It is a 22nd magnitude galaxy hiding behind a much brighter star. You may have to enlarge the image to see that there are two objects there. The galaxy is sticking out of the western side of the star. Nearby to the NW is SDSS J090121.47+353908.0 at 1.6 billion light years that appears to be a blue star. But the magnitude and position exactly match a galaxy in the SDSS so I assume it is correct. Also the PSF (how the light varies across the object) is typical of a galaxy and very atypical of the known stars in this part of the image. So appearances can be deceiving.

Arp's image is at: http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level...ig_arp202.jpeg

The Sloan Digital Sky Survey image of Arp 202 is at:
http://astronomerica.awardspace.com/SDSS-18/NGC2719.php

The SDSS image for NGC 2724:
http://astronomerica.awardspace.com/SDSS-18/NGC2724.php
Their filters don't show the color difference between the two galaxies on its western side that my image shows. They use a different mix of filters that does alter the color balance from what the eye would see if it could see such faint color. This helps greatly in their scientific analysis but does make for sometimes misleading images. Other times the color is reasonably correct. I've not determined why the variation.

14" LX200R @ f/10, L=4x10' RGB=2x10'x3, STL-11000XM, Paramount ME

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http://www.spacebanter.com/attachmen...tid=2677&stc=1

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I like your deep exposures and I enjoy reading your posts! Keep up the good work!
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Hi Rick, Simply awesome seeing this image of very distant group of galaxies, quasars. Very nice processing in capturing its colors and features. welldone my friend. Clear Skies.
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Very nice. Again I am amazed with the detail, the clarity, and the low noise you get with relatively short exposures.

A wonderful image and a great write up.
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Andy,
Remember I normally bin 2x2 unless I state otherwise. That makes the signal more like f/5 than f/10 and cuts read noise in half. I'd need at least twice the exposure time for 1x1 binning. Color is binned 3x3 which helps even more for that data. Seeing here rare is good enough for 1x1 binning so rarely use it. The NGC 7008 image is one of the few exceptions and the one that has gained the most because of it but I needed over 4 times the luminosity exposure time to realize it.

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Rick,

You are really matching your focal length to the effective pixel size and taking advantage of the big chip size of the STL11000. In other words, you are working with your equipment rather than fighting it! We should all learn from that.

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Arp 202 is composed of two galaxies NGC 2719 and 2719A. Both are classed as Im pec. The third major galaxy in the image is the nice two arm spiral, NGC 2724, SAB(s)c, with a red shift that puts it about 5 million light-years further away than Arp 202. Such a difference is immaterial so it is considered a member of the same group as Arp 202. There are two small galaxies to its right. The red one has a red shift indicating a distance of a bit over 1.4 billion light-years. Oddly, the blue spiral above it isn't in the NED SDSS database. It has hundreds of far fainter galaxies in this field but not this rather bright one. Nor could I find any entry for it at NED or SIMBAD.
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Once again, Rick outstanding work as usual! Thank you.

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Wow keep it up!
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Arp 202 is a pair of interacting galaxies about 150 million light-years from us in southern Lynx. Arp classed them under Galaxies not classifiable as E or S; Material ejected from nuclei. I'm not sure what "material" he is referring to. He comments; "Faint tail from small galaxy". I don't know if this refers to the faint fuzz at the west end of it or the three objects that trail to the west. The first is just a star, at least it isn't in the SDSS. The other two are separate galaxies per the SDSS though no red shift is provided. To me they appear far distant galaxies though the Kanipe-Webb book consider this the tail. I see no difference between these two and a third galaxy directly below the eastern (middle of the three objects) galaxy. Arp became obsessed with the idea of galaxies ejecting objects and it appears his opinion of this pair may have colored by this concept.

Arp 202 is composed of two galaxies NGC 2719 and 2719A. Both are classed as Im pec. The third major galaxy in the image is the nice two arm spiral, NGC 2724, SAB(s)c, with a red shift that puts it about 5 million light-years further away than Arp 202. Such a difference is immaterial so it is considered a member of the same group as Arp 202. There are two small galaxies to its right. The red one has a red shift indicating a distance of a bit over 1.4 billion light-years. Oddly, the blue spiral above it isn't in the NED SDSS database. It has hundreds of far fainter galaxies in this field but not this rather bright one. Nor could I find any entry for it at NED or SIMBAD.

The small elongated almost double looking galaxy SE of Arp 202 is SDSS J090028.22+354009.8, also a member of the Arp 202 system. The blue spindle galaxy NE of Arp 202 is SDSS J090029.38+354840.6 and is also a member of the Arp 202 group. Half way between Arp 202 and the last galaxy is a very orange galaxy just above a brighter blue star. This galaxy is SDSS J090029.38+354840.6 and is about 1.4 billion light-years distant.

In keeping with the trend that blue is a member of the Arp 202 group and red isn't we come to SDSS J090043.64+354829.0 directly east of the blue spindle. It is 1.1 billion light-years away. The relatively large red spindle NW of Arp 202 is SDSS J085935.91+355242.6 and it is almost 1.4 billion light-years from us as is SDSS J085939.37+355413.7, the round red galaxy to its north east. The spindle galaxy is very unsymmetrical with a far fatter and brighter disk to the SE than to the NW of the core. I wonder what caused that. Is the disk warped so we see it more face on to the SE or is it really less massive to the NW? Between the spindle at 1.1 billion light-years and Arp 202, much nearer the former is another rather bright reddish galaxy. It is SDSS J085943.03+355048.9 at a bit under 1 billion light-years.

I've made an annotated image with the distances in billions of light-years noted. Several other galaxies and a quasar are in the image that are also noted on this image besides these I've mentioned. The interesting thing is that one of the galaxies is actually more distant, not by much, than one of the the quasars in the image. Both are over 3 billion light years distant. But the quasar at 8.4 billion light years is a lot further away. Of course Arp likely wouldn't agree and might say they were emitted by Arp 202 rather recently. The most distant quasar in the image is also the brightest. This Arp would jump on instantly. It's red shift puts it at 11.65 billion light years away. The photons I captured have traveled more than twice the age of our solar system and possibly longer than our galaxy even existed. In fact the light left when the universe was only about 2 billion years old. It boggles the mind to think about.

One of the distant galaxies I've noted but not mentioned yet is SDSS J090107.85+353657.1 at 1.8 billion light-years near the bottom of the image. It is a 22nd magnitude galaxy hiding behind a much brighter star. You may have to enlarge the image to see that there are two objects there. The galaxy is sticking out of the western side of the star. Nearby to the NW is SDSS J090121.47+353908.0 at 1.6 billion light years that appears to be a blue star. But the magnitude and position exactly match a galaxy in the SDSS so I assume it is correct. Also the PSF (how the light varies across the object) is typical of a galaxy and very atypical of the known stars in this part of the image. So appearances can be deceiving.

Arp's image is at: http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level...ig_arp202.jpeg

The Sloan Digital Sky Survey image of Arp 202 is at:
http://astronomerica.awardspace.com/SDSS-18/NGC2719.php

The SDSS image for NGC 2724:
http://astronomerica.awardspace.com/SDSS-18/NGC2724.php
Their filters don't show the color difference between the two galaxies on its western side that my image shows. They use a different mix of filters that does alter the color balance from what the eye would see if it could see such faint color. This helps greatly in their scientific analysis but does make for sometimes misleading images. Other times the color is reasonably correct. I've not determined why the variation.

14" LX200R @ f/10, L=4x10' RGB=2x10'x3, STL-11000XM, Paramount ME

Image with less compression
http://www.spacebanter.com/attachmen...tid=2677&stc=1

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