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Old 24-December-2005, 12:28 PM
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I answered yes, because I thought by the title of the thread YECs but the poll was general "creationists". I certainly don't have an issue with George, and I have some personal leanings toward creationism. But Yecationists (I like that ) get under my skin in a big way. The biggest issue I have is that they just use the same rehashed false religo-political talking points when trying to argue.

I usually end up challenging them to research the Theory of evolution through normal scientific roads. I point out that I have done plenty of research on religious sites and read the bible plenty. I don't get my information on creationism from the BAUT they shouldn't learn about evolution from their church.
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Yeah, they annoy me (contain your surprise :P). My problem with them is that they suffer from the most stubborn case of "head in sand" syndrome you can imagine. Utterly refusing to believe anything that might challenge their "God given" world view. Most, I've found, are extremely hostile to disagreeing beliefs, regardless of the amount of evidence in favor of the dissenter.
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I must admit I get rather annoyed with stubborness (and I am as stubborn as they come ) but I don't get mad at woo-woos or the like, that is because if I get mad I can't make fun of them....(ah yes, I forgot to mention I am also a tad immature )
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They donīt annoy me. I just despise them.
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In fact, self criticism of the groups we are in is probably more valuable from a moral standpoint than criticism of other groups as woo-woos. After all, we can keep our own groups on track, while we have little effect on others' groups (we're heretics to them). A society full of self critical people will manage to beat back superstitions and orthodoxies of all sorts, while a society full of other-critical people will fragment into mutually hostile tribes that don't listen to each other and don't self-examine.
That was well said, I couldn't agree more. And like you, I do see tribalism increasing, unfortunately.
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I get more depressed than angry. The latest issue of Skeptical Inquirer is mostly about so-called Intelligent Design, and just looking at it gets me down. I don't know if I'll be able to read it.

When I look at the world, and how screwed up it is because of religion, I just want to end it all. But I don't have any planet-destroying devices, and besides, I just bought 12 years' worth of shaver parts...

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Old 17-March-2006, 05:55 AM
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...this is an interesting thread, but after reading it, it seemed to me that people were comparing apples and oranges. Religion fulfills a need in human beings. From the earliest men right up to today. Religion addresses itself to the spiritual side of man, by means of faith, a knowing of the heart. Human beings take their needs very seriously. Science is based on the scientific approach resulting in data and repeatability and formulas proving analytically the validity of the proof. This is done by means of reason, logic and probability which brings about a knowing in the mind, an entirely different kind of knowing, compared to faith. A knower of the mind and a knower of the heart addressing the same question, will seldom, if ever, agree. The conflict is a result of one side believing the other side is trying to tamper with their need(ie creationism, evolution, IDism). I would like to see w.i.a.h.b.a.a.w.b.ism taught as well( what is, always has been, and always will be)...
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...this is an interesting thread, but after reading it, it seemed to me that people were comparing apples and oranges. Religion fulfills a need in human beings. From the earliest men right up to today. Religion addresses itself to the spiritual side of man, by means of faith, a knowing of the heart. Human beings take their needs very seriously. Science is based on the scientific approach resulting in data and repeatability and formulas proving analytically the validity of the proof. This is done by means of reason, logic and probability which brings about a knowing in the mind, an entirely different kind of knowing, compared to faith. A knower of the mind and a knower of the heart addressing the same question, will seldom, if ever, agree. The conflict is a result of one side believing the other side is trying to tamper with their need(ie creationism, evolution, IDism). I would like to see w.i.a.h.b.a.a.w.b.ism taught as well( what is, always has been, and always will be)...
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I would like to see w.i.a.h.b.a.a.w.b.ism taught as well( what is, always has been, and always will be)...
But it hasn't and won't. That's the issue--teach science, not what any given religion or spiritual belief says happened.
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But it hasn't and won't. That's the issue--teach science, not what any given religion or spiritual belief says happened.
That's Just it, we Don't Know, yet ...

That's The Core of w.i.a.h.b.a.a.w.b.ism, it Is COMPLETELY Non-Religious ...

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Not when fossils flat prove it wrong.
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Not when fossils flat prove it wrong.
How Can they ...

Fossils Are, Therefore they Exist ...

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I just have to add that i vote wrong in this poll. Not that i hit the wrong button but simply voted before thinking it through. I voted 'no' since i accept ppl belief, but as i thought it through. Religion is one think, creativonism is another thing without any reality sence (if you ask me). I understand why the majority believe in a god, but to deny things like the earth was about more than 6k years ago is something different. We have the greatest evidences of that. Have to say, they really annoy me those creativonists
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I just have to add that i vote wrong in this poll. Not that i hit the wrong button but simply voted before thinking it through. I voted 'no' since i accept ppl belief, but as i thought it through. Religion is one think, creativonism is another thing without any reality sence (if you ask me). I understand why the majority believe in a god, but to deny things like the earth was about more than 6k years ago is something different. We have the greatest evidences of that. Have to say, they really annoy me those creativonists
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Have to say, they really annoy me those creativonists
The really big question is: How did you manage to get a v between the i and the o?

They make me angry. Example of why:

In a recent spread in Natl Geog, there was a sidebar about a Grand Canyon guide (creationist) who gives tours and explains how everything they see is no older than the Bible says. His tours include kids, and if even one kid walks away from the tour buying this guide's literal interpretation of how and when the Earth was formed - then in my eyes, he is a person to be despised.

The willful propogation of ignorance by ignorant people is not in any way acceptable to me as a matter of to-each-his-own or other similar arguements.

There was an earlier comment in the thread about brilliant people who are creationists. A contradiction in terms. That's just too big of a gap in critical thinking for the person to be given the attribute of being brilliant.
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I'm surprised at the amount of people that have voted 'yes' in this poll.
Its hard to see how science, especially Astrophysics, and reigion mix. They are essentially opposites. I can't understand how someone can be a good scientist or at least logical thinker and still be religious.
Creationism is only going to slow down progession of science and the human race, so I don't agree with it at all. I can't believe they want it taught in schools even as a 'theory'. It's not science.
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I'm surprised at the amount of people that have voted 'yes' in this poll.
Its hard to see how science, especially Astrophysics, and reigion mix. They are essentially opposites. I can't understand how someone can be a good scientist or at least logical thinker and still be religious.
Creationism is only going to slow down progession of science and the human race, so I don't agree with it at all. I can't believe they want it taught in schools even as a 'theory'. It's not science.
Because it's possible to be religious (as I am) and not let it interfere with science. Further, only some religious people are creationists or IDers. See, for example, the Pope.
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They make me angry. Example of why:

In a recent spread in Natl Geog, there was a sidebar about a Grand Canyon guide (creationist) who gives tours and explains how everything they see is no older than the Bible says. His tours include kids, and if even one kid walks away from the tour buying this guide's literal interpretation of how and when the Earth was formed - then in my eyes, he is a person to be despised.
To me, that's a person to be fired. Or (more PC) a person to be evaluated and put on probation.
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