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Old 18-May-2009, 07:32 PM
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I always assumed the bridge itself to be a lifeboat that had to be there to separate. The continued rush of air would be from the tubolift tubes behind the bridge. venting up.
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I think they would have all gotten sucked out from the bridge. I’ve watched that scene a few times and I’d say it again sucked out one and all just plain curtains.

But the rest managed to hang on for several seconds. Also wouldn’t the lungs freeze up or lack of oxygen air something? If it was me I’d be on the floor gasping. That crew seems to be in good physical shape for several seconds with no air to breathe!
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Healthy human beings can, according to NASA tests, survive in vacuum for about ten seconds without passing out, and about a minute and a half without dying.
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It wasnt a shield, it was an emergency force field.
To keep all emergency force fields always on would take too much power away from other vital systems.
But why not have it triggered automatically by a pressure sensor?
The idea that it has to be activated by vocal command in a situation with no air is rather stupid.
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Healthy human beings can, according to NASA tests, survive in vacuum for about ten seconds without passing out, and about a minute and a half without dying.
Why do I never tune in to NASA TV when they run the really interesting tests?

And where did they find volunteers to go into vacuum?
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In ST: Enterprise, the bridge was in the usual place, yet, they had polarized hull plating and no shields. Whatever the heck that is...

So it seems the design, going by storyline, still makes little sense. Hull plating would make no difference in the inverse distance from the shields as mentioned above.

The Enterprise D had no window at the front, only the viewscreen inside. You could see the outside of the bridge on the model (ship?) was covered in a thick barrier of shipmetalstuff.

Why the Enterprise E would have a big window seems like a step back in time- Probably only existing for that one dramatic scene.
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This is fun... I so want it to be real.Sigh!
The prime directive instructs the script writers to entertain. As much as a sense of realism existed in Star Trek and TNG and Voyager and Deep Space Nine and all of those wonderful films. Yes if you get all analytical you can blow holes in it. The concept was wonderful. One day you will need that star fleet costume. Lol
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Actually...
None of the "windows" are glass. They are all force fields.

As far as the puncturing...etc with the phasors. Phasors are known to be a two way energy stream that can be wide spread or concentrated with modulatable frequency...We also know that frequency means nothing about it's strength... This means that it doesn't work the same way any of our technologies work...

In other words, Phasors work on some sort of principles removed from what we think and act in some way that allows for a beam to act like a solid object or an energy beam. Or any state between.

So in this sense Ship Phasors are more like bullets than they are like LAZERs. This is perhaps why Ablative Armor is invented before and used in 2405.

As far as what would happen... In that situation with that technology... less... There are several fields around the ship, warp field, energy shield, structural stabalizers, etc. So the there would be very little that actually happens in that scenario.

With realistic technology... it wouldn't happen unless the vaporization somehow cut off the top of the roof or a section, but left the rest. That being said. It's not like they would be sucked out far in relation to the ship and there would likely be an auto pilot maneuvering that would get people back into the area and then the area would be sealed off...


of course i would expect inflatable pods and minithrusters to be standard fair so assuming they didn't get killed by debris or more shots...they'd just fly back in.
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And where did they find volunteers to go into vacuum?
Accidental volunteer.

NASA: Ask an Astrophysicist: Human Body in a Vacuum

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At NASA's Manned Spacecraft Center (now renamed Johnson Space Center) we had a test subject accidentally exposed to a near vacuum (less than 1 psi) in an incident involving a leaking space suit in a vacuum chamber back in '65. He remained conscious for about 14 seconds, which is about the time it takes for O2 deprived blood to go from the lungs to the brain. The suit probably did not reach a hard vacuum, and we began repressurizing the chamber within 15 seconds. The subject regained consciousness at around 15,000 feet equivalent altitude. The subject later reported that he could feel and hear the air leaking out, and his last conscious memory was of the water on his tongue beginning to boil.
And, of course, animals were volunteered by their owners.
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Way back in the mid-60s, on the original, original (rejected for being too cerebral) pilot, "The Cage", they used a panning shot from outside the top of the Enterprise, going down through the "bubble" on the top of the saucer section, which led into ... the bridge.

The windows weren't forcefields : They had a "Structural Integrity Field" running through the hull to help combat the stresses of manoeuvring the ship and combat, but the windows were, at least after the 1986 film, ST IV : TVH, mentioned to be Transparent Alumin(i)um. This is also seen in the non-canonical "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise".
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Way back in the mid-60s, on the original, original (rejected for being too cerebral) pilot, "The Cage", they used a panning shot from outside the top of the Enterprise, going down through the "bubble" on the top of the saucer section, which led into ... the bridge.

The windows weren't forcefields : They had a "Structural Integrity Field" running through the hull to help combat the stresses of manoeuvring the ship and combat, but the windows were, at least after the 1986 film, ST IV : TVH, mentioned to be Transparent Alumin(i)um. This is also seen in the non-canonical "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise".
The forcefield windows referred to were used in the Next Generation part of the series.
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But why not have it triggered automatically by a pressure sensor?
The idea that it has to be activated by vocal command in a situation with no air is rather stupid.
Oh, don't even get started on having a giant starship with a super-brain and 24th centiry technology but still cannot pick its nose without a command from the captain.

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The forcefield windows referred to were used in the Next Generation part of the series.
There still weren't any forcefield windows in TNG. There were forcefields on external doors, but the windows were all solid material (supposedly transparent aluminum).
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If you want to consider the situation of a hull breach in space, just consider the jet which Payne Stewart and others were in at high altitude when they
quickly lost cabin pressure. Just like a CO2 fire extinguisher , the interior and occupants froze just about instantly. The more air, the colder.
On ST, they wouldn't of hunmg on so much as frozen stiff to what ever they grabbed.
Rapid depressurization is never a good thing.
We go through a lot of engineering trouble to build really good pressurized
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There still weren't any forcefield windows in TNG. There were forcefields on external doors, but the windows were all solid material (supposedly transparent aluminum).
If you accept that the post-TNG-series movies count as TNG, then recall the scene from First Contact where Picard shows Lilia (name?) Earth through the window. Picard demonstrates force field technology with this window to her.

But Star Trek trivia always changes, such as passing "Deck 74" in a maintenance shaft on a 22(?) deck ship. (ST: Final Frontier)
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If you accept that the post-TNG-series movies count as TNG, then recall the scene from First Contact where Picard shows Lilia (name?) Earth through the window. Picard demonstrates force field technology with this window to her.
I knew someone would bring that up, but that wasn't a window. The room was looked like a cargo bay of some sort, and a door similar to a cargo bay door opened when Picard touched the control panel. Plus the "window" is as tall as Picard. Given what we'd seen in TNG, it's doubtful that was a window.
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Using forcefields alone is suicide. Every single crewman's quarters seem to have windows. What happens when the ship loses power? Everyone just dies of asphyxiation?
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Guys: All of this discussion of the Bridge reminds me of the Russo-Japanese War and the Russian Admiral and staff at that battle. They were outside the armored conning tower, on the relatively unprotected bridge, when a Japanese shell hit the bridge, wiping out the command of the Russian Fleet.....Supposedly it was fired by a gun commanded by a young Lt. Isoroku Yamamoto.....

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Using forcefields alone is suicide. Every single crewman's quarters seem to have windows. What happens when the ship loses power? Everyone just dies of asphyxiation?
As I recall .... the Enterprise employs ' transparent aluminum ' for windows.
When you hold the license of a science fiction writer, you can do anything.
We could do with the transparent aluminum though.

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