Feel free to delete this post if it is miscategorized or anything. I saw this article: http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2...r-get-on-2012/ today and was wondering if the 2012 debunking article has already been written. I did a search, but didn't get much back except 1 other post that mentions he needs to write one. Any ideas?

No, I haven't seen the BA finish the commitment to rip 2012 apocalypticism to shreds. He's been pretty busy lately. And 2012 isn't going away -- until it's in our rear-view mirror -- so he's got time.

Until then, here's some material to read, from dozens and dozens of topics on BAUT Forum:

1. 2003 no, 2012 si
2. 2012
3. End of Mayan Calendar
4. Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012?
5. 2012 alignment question
6. about the Mayan 2012 item
7. 2012 Debunking?
8. Possible asteroid impact in 2012?
9. 2012 asteroid?
10. We don't have to worry about 2012!
11. More on 2012 from India Daily
12. 2012 Completion of conspiracy?
13. Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012...
14. crop circles, Planet X and 2012
15. Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma
16. According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012?
17. More 2012 Nonsense
18. NEO 2012?
19. Dangerous NEO in 2012?
20. Christmas 2012
21. 2012 mayan calender end of world
22. Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012
23. New 2012 threat?
24. 2012 look at this thing on the sun
25. Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012
26. Pole shift idea origins
27. Dec 20 2012
28. 2012 Stuff
29. Horizon Project-New End of World Scare?
30. Date: December 21st 2012
31. Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen?
32. 2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)
33. So what will we see in 2012?
34. Galactic Tsunami?
35. Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy?
36. Earth's Magnetic Field & 2012
37. 2012?
38. Any truth to this?
39. How can the sun be aligned with Galactic centre?
40. the whole 2012 poles flip nonsense
41. Planet X Official Advertisement
42. What year are we in
43. Quick question about the sun
44. Galactic Alignment
45. Books of 2012! -
46. 2007 = 2012
47. Return of Planet X By Rand
48. Don Alejandro - Mayan Elder.
49. Toutatis 4179: 2012?
50. Galactic Alignment in 2012 ?
51. Solar Storms
52. A real prediction!
53. NIBURU - Brown Dwarf, The DESTROYER
54. 2012 Galactic Alignment
55. Not 2012 again! But I cant help it~
56. New evidence for 2012 TEOTWAWKI!!!
57. this may be a silly question but...
58. Just to know if this is true
59. Just Wondering...
60. Planet X/Nibiru, is it real?
61. Youv heard this a million times.
62. Nibaru or Planet X
63. Mayan calendar
64. 2012 Article?

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Second post, wow. You don't miss a beat, do you, binary guy?

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I think I missed a beat. Or two. But, like, 45 minutes passed and nobodies jumped in to predict me and my list would appear real soon. How odd.

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I think it was sort of hiding in this section -- appropriately, being a question about the BA's assault on 2012. Usually the mentions of 2012 are found in Q&A and Conspiracy Theories, but they're different sorts of threads. (And, confidential to pittance, don't feel picked on. I just expect any thread that mentions 2012 might draw seekers armed with search engines, so I like to provide the long list mainly for those wandering eyeballs.)

Anyway, I do appreciate when others predict my coming. It softens up the ground. It greases the skids. It puts palm fronds before my... donkey... No. That ain't right. Um... But, thanks all.

Disturbing analysis: one-third through 2008, we've accumulated at least 15 BAUT topics related to 2012. That's nearly one a week. If the acceleration continues (I'm gonna blame dark energy), by mid-2011, we should see about one topic per hour. Gird thy loins. I girded mine this morning.

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I hope it was good for you.

As I have previously predicted, the world will end in 2012. The destruction will be caused by the creation of an Information Blackhole, from the density of links in your 2012 post, that will exist at that time.

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Imagine the board's density at that point!

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Is it okay for me to call you binary guy?

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Now i know how you lot feel about the doomsday folk and their 2012 rumblings but the mayan calender does draw to an end at this particular point in time and coincides with the 26000 year axis wobble shift,
the mayans understood the rhythms of the earth from their observations and associated the various timeshifts with particular phases of misfortune/goodfortune- and if we can presume that their cultures timekeeping was taking place for a few tens of thousands of years previously, seeing as its a 26000 year calender its not a big leap really,
now i know you are astronomers but put a geology hat on for a minute and take a look down a timeline of the earths history over the past 100,000 years frinstance 26000 years ago- we entered a mini ice age,
57500 years ago- major volcanic ash cloud
72000 years ago was the toba mass extinction event,
the mayan calender just happens to coincide with its cycle beggining at the mini ice age and culminating now (manmade global warming may not be the only reason all that white stuffs melting is all im saying) and if the milankovitch wobble were to be a possible cause of a gravitational lensing effect that gave us more tension in our already quite active tectonic plates then the mayans would have done a pretty good bloody job of predicting the end of the world!
you are very dismissive of a warning put in place thousands of years ago by a people with an understanding that is very different to your own, cos you dont get it
and admit it, it makes you slightly nervous go 0on just a little what with yellowstone maybe being due a blowup too,(2.1millionyrsago,1.2millionyrsago,0.6milliony rsago makes me nervous anyhoo. any of you lot ever been near a volcano? its warm i tell you.
we are in a very priveleged window of easy living on this ball of fireworks and we should all be aware that ice ages come on pretty quick.
and come off it you not see that <edit> comet <edit> jupiter right in its hurricane in 97? you dont see many of them every aeon do you?
summats going on all the ice is melting and the weathers gone mad, the mayans predicted destruction and that kinda looks like what were getting manmade or no, so they were right and your planetary alignment musings are moot.

You're confusing the Shoemaker-Levy collision of '94 with the bright comet Hale-Bopp that was visible from Earth in '97.
Being as big as it is, stuff probably does collide with Jupiter once in a while, but this is the first time we've had Hubble to look at it with.
And as for Hale-Bopp, the 20th century actually had FEWER bright comets than the 19th or 18th.

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what? fewer brighter comets? who said anything about comets? or more bright ones? my allusion to the comet striking jupiter was to strike a balance to past times when such things would be considered a portent if you will, and it seems they are an omen cos we are <edit>, we went past the glacial melt tipping point some years ago now imho(which as a climate researcher isnt that humble) and your petty rebuttal to my essential point by picking holes in my recollection of dates is frankly rather pathetic and you also reinforce the portent thing by looking for them and saying its not the end of the world cos we havent seen enough comets,as for the 94 thing i was only 13 at the time and was more concerned with bb guns and mancity.

the mayans believed that the dark area of the milky way was the doorway to the underworld and it was associated with very bad things which is understandable seeing we/they had previously had an ice age and two massive volcanoes every time it came round?!!?!?!
and here we go again bad things is happening again!
<edit. you dont even need a mayan to tell you we had the clash in the 70s
the ice age is coming,
the suns zooming in,
engines stop running,
the wheat is growing thin,
a nuclear era but i have no fear cos london is drowning out
and i live by the river.

eightyape, please review the Rules Of The Board.

http://www.bautforum.com/about-baut/...ing-board.html
Specifically:
I'm a soldier and well accustomed to foul mouthed speak, but this Board includes folks under the age of 18 and I'm certain you can communicate your ideas effectively without cursing every other word.

In fact- it would be much more effective because I'm, pretty inclined not to read your posts considering the amount of nonsense in them- not including the 2012 nonsense, which you incidentally have got backwards, wrong and totally incorrect as well. It's what you get when you read woo woo sites and don't actually use your brain or do any research on your own.

Wrong.
It rolls over at that point in time- Like Every Other Calender Does!
Do the math- No it does not coincide with any such thing.

What is this nonsesne? Astrology?!?!
All of these figures are wrong.
Did you actually take the time to look any of these up? Do any of the calculations yourself? Or did you trust a Woo Woo?

I should make my own website and post half-baked ideas on it. I'll name it www.trustawoowoo.com

Secondly- a MINI Ice Age?
Are you ignoring all other geological events that do not (Supposedly considering your skewed numbers) line up with the Mayan Calender?
KACHING!

None of this Word Salad you just spewed even made sense!
decipher that pseudo-gibber and maybe I'll be able to correct it.

The Mayans have not put out any such warning. At All. There is NO Mayan Warning.
The only thing I'm nervous about happening in 2012- is the usual stuff. Mostly Im concerned about how much retirement I'll have accrued- for long after 2012- when no End of the World happens.
Thanks for the tip.
Coulda fooled me- You seen the price of beef and gas lately?

What does Shoemaker Levy 9 have to do with us?
And did that comet line up with any astrological Mayan Calender hoopla these woo woo's make up off the top of their head?
The Mayans Predicted No End of the World In 2012!

The Mayans Did Not Predict Global Warming!

Your post is chock full of pseudo-babble- most of which doesn't make sense nor lines up with reality. The rest of the post seems to invent stuff that is Wrong, Not True and also False.

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you lot really area bunch of effete wee <edit> arent you ill leave what ive written mistakes and all im also leaving my house cos it goes underwater twice a year now, theres no <edit> ice left whether the mayans predicted it or not we are <edit> so lets get drunk and stop arguing for hours against the superstitious masses.
oh and <edit> off you language nazi.

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I've written an article about 2012 and why it's bollocks, but I can't figure out where to send it. I don't think anyone would touch it.

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I've written articles about 2012 and given reasons for believing there maybe more in this than we suspect and have the same problem.

One thing for certain in the years following 2012 historians will find something that is blindingly obvious and our grandchildren will wonder "How come they didn't see it all coming?"

My 20-20 hindsight might not be all that crash hot but it beats the heck out of my foresight

Mayan Math

Earth Orbit: Tun (18 x 20) = 360 days
Sun Rotation: Tzolkin (26 x 10) = 260 days

• Three (3) calendar rounds of 13, 18, 20 synchronize interlocking 234, 260, 360 day cycles.
• The Tun tracked the Sun rotation = 26 days x 10 = 260 day calendar.
• The Tzolkin tracked the Earth = 36 x 10 = 360 day calendar.

10 x 26 = 260 = 10 Solar Rotations each 26 Earth days
20 x 18 = 360 = 1 Earth Solar Orbit (degrees)
13 x 18 = 234 = Tun & Tzolkin synchronization (20^n); Mercury (117 days orbit)

It takes 13 tun for the Sun rotation of (26 days x 10 x 18) = 4,680 days
to align with the Earth (360 days x 13 ) = 4,680 days = 13 tun

Sun and Moon | 7 days per week
28 x 13 = 364; (moon orbit)
14 x 26 = 364; (sun rotation)
52 x 7 = 364; (7 ÷ evenly into 364)

364 Sun/Moon Cycles:
= 28 day Moon/Earth Orbit (10,192 days ÷ 28)
= 26 day Sun Rotation (9,464 days ÷ 26)
for the Solar rotation and Lunar orbit.

Fractal Invert/Recursion:
(10192/28/360) = 91/90
(9464/26/360) = 91/90

Dividing both by 20:
Tzolkin (260 / 20) = 13
Tun (360 / 20) = 18

13 x 18 = 234 days.

Tun (360): [(18 x 20) x (20^(n=0...7)) x 13]
Tzolkin (260): [(13 x 20) x (20^(n=0...7)) x 18]

1. Start dates for each new level are far apart;
2. Previous levels continue as each new level is added;
3. All 9 levels coterminous.

Level 9
260 ÷ 20 = 13 x 18 = 234 days
360 ÷ 20 = 18 x 13 = 234 days
Level 8
260 x 18 = 4,680 days
360 x 13 = 4,680 days
234 x 20 = 4,680 days
Level 7
260 x 20 x 18 = 93,600 days
360 x 20 x 13 = 93,600 days
234 x 20 x 20 = 93,600 days
Level 6
260 x [20^2] x 18 = 1,872,000 days
360 x [20^2] x 13 = 1,872,000 days
234 x [20^2] x 20 = 1,872,000 days
Level 5
260 x [20^3] x 18 = 37,440,000 days
360 x [20^3] x 13 = 37,440,000 days
234 x [20^3] x 20 = 37,440,000 days
Level 4
260 x [20^4] x 18 = 748,800,000 days
360 x [20^4] x 13 = 748,800,000 days
234 x [20^4] x 20 = 748,800,000 days
Level 3
260 x [20^5] x 18 = 14,976,000,000 days
360 x [20^5] x 13 = 14,976,000,000 days
234 x [20^5] x 20 = 14,976,000,000 days
Level 2
260 x [20^6] x 18 = 299,520,000,000 days
360 x [20^6] x 13 = 299,520,000,000 days
234 x [20^6] x 20 = 299,520,000,000 days
Level 1
260 x [20^7] x 18 = 5,990,400,000,000 days
360 x [20^7] x 13 = 5,990,400,000,000 days
234 x [20^7] x 20 = 5,990,400,000,000 days

Cellular Days = Tun & Tzolkin Years:
5,990,400,000,000 ÷ 260 = 23,040,000,000 (of 260 Day) Cycles
5,990,400,000,000 ÷ 360 = 16,640,000,000 (of 360 Day) Cycles
5,990,400,000,000 ÷ 234 = 25,600,000,000 (of 234 Day) Cycles

234 Relevant Factors:
234 x 1 = 234;
117 x 2 = 234;
78 x 3 = 234;
39 x 6 = 234;
26 x 9 = 234;
13 x 18 = 234;
18 x 13 = 234;

260 Relevant Factors:
260 x 1 = 260;
130 x 2 = 260;
65 x 4 = 260
52 x 5 = 260
26 x 10 =260
13 x 20 = 260;
20 x 13 = 260;

360 Relevant Factors:
360 x 1 = 360;
180 x 2 = 360;
120 x 3 = 360;
90 x 4 = 360;
72 x 5 = 360
60 x 6 = 360;
45 x 8 = 360
40 x 9 = 360;
36 x 10 = 360;
30 x 12 = 360;
20 x 18 = 360;
18 x 20 = 360;

Notes on [234 - 260 - 360]:
• None ÷ by 7;
• All ÷ by 2;
• Only 260 & 360 both ÷ by 4, 5;
• Only 360 ÷ by 8;
• 260 does not ÷ by 3, 6, or 9;
• Of the numbers [13-18-20] none divide evenly into the others;
• There are no common denominators.

Download a 65 page PDF file which shows exactly how all of the cycles and counts of days were all counting days as they tracked orbits of the earth, sun, moon, mercury, venus, mars, saturn, transits, and many other of the movements in motion in the solar system in the Milky Way Galaxy in the universe.

http://www.mayaexploration.org/pdf/A...0Astronomy.pdf

My second grade computer teacher was right. If you use the Internet, you WILL encounter scary people.

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Can someone explain the lack of header information in post #21?

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This is BogDin here. I don't know!

Actually I'm not BogDin, but I forget who I am really. And, I lied when I said I don't know. I believe the answer is: it might have a little something to do with the fact that unregistered users can post articles in this section.

That's not true. The Maya measured the solar orbit with a 365-day year (tun + 5). The tun was only used in the Long Count, which wasn't tied to the length of the year.

The Maya counted by 20s and considered the number 13 sacred. There is no other known reason why the Tzolkin is 260 days long. The solar rotation is either 25 or 27 days, depending on how you measure it. Not 26.

The Maya didn't have a week, let alone a 7-day week.

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Thanks Bog, I knidn't dow that.

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I'm way too far on sleepless to try to sort this one out....

I'm curious - why isn't this worthy of a language edit? Is the term I bolded above term deemed "kid friendly"?

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Yes, I'm perfectly aware of the word and its background thankyou.

I'm just wondering where, exactly, the "offensive" line in the sand is drawn.

Edited additional info: For the record, I don't find the word offensive. I don't find any words offensive. It's all about context.

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