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Old 16-June-2009, 06:47 AM
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I've come across this story randomly that said that the sun polar shift around 2012 will create a solar storm and could send a big plasma blob towards earth that would knock off any means of communication/electricity/tv etc..

is this correct? Cause if it is, we're gonna become primitive dark age cannibals again and that wont last long with all the stuff in the water.
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Old 16-June-2009, 07:13 AM
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You're mixing up two things. One, a solar flare could theoretically severely disrupt communication on the earth. It is an uncommon event, but apparently could happen. But there's nothing special about 2012, really. It could happen any time, more likely at the top of a solar cycle. But I think it's becoming increasingly unlikely that 2012 will be the top of the cycle. You can read more here.
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but could this whipe out the electric power grid?
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(How do we go two months without needing to drag this out and now have two cries for help within minutes of each other?)

Here are some BAUT Forum topics that have addressed aspects of predictions for year 2012, and some allied articles:
  1. 2003 no, 2012 si
  2. 2012
  3. End of Mayan Calendar
  4. Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012?
  5. 2012 alignment question
  6. about the Mayan 2012 item
  7. 2012 Debunking?
  8. Possible asteroid impact in 2012?
  9. 2012 asteroid?
  10. We don't have to worry about 2012!
  11. More on 2012 from India Daily
  12. 2012 Completion of conspiracy?
  13. Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012...
  14. crop circles, Planet X and 2012
  15. Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma
  16. According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012?
  17. More 2012 Nonsense
  18. NEO 2012?
  19. Dangerous NEO in 2012?
  20. Christmas 2012
  21. 2012 mayan calender end of world
  22. Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012
  23. New 2012 threat?
  24. 2012 look at this thing on the sun
  25. Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012
  26. Pole shift idea origins
  27. Dec 20 2012
  28. 2012 Stuff
  29. No reply previous question
  30. Horizon Project-New End of World Scare?
  31. Date: December 21st 2012
  32. Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen?
  33. 2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)
  34. So what will we see in 2012?
  35. Galactic Tsunami?
  36. Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy?
  37. Earth's Magnetic Field & 2012
  38. 2012?
  39. Any truth to this?
  40. How can the sun be aligned with Galactic centre?
  41. the whole 2012 poles flip nonsense
  42. Planet X Official Advertisement
  43. What year are we in
  44. Quick question about the sun
  45. Galactic Alignment
  46. Books of 2012! -
  47. 2007 = 2012
  48. Return of Planet X By Rand
  49. Don Alejandro - Mayan Elder.
  50. Toutatis 4179: 2012?
  51. Galactic Alignment in 2012 ?
  52. Solar Storms
  53. A real prediction!
  54. NIBURU - Brown Dwarf, The DESTROYER
  55. 2012 Galactic Alignment
  56. Not 2012 again! But I cant help it~
  57. New evidence for 2012 TEOTWAWKI!!!
  58. this may be a silly question but...
  59. Just to know if this is true
  60. Just Wondering...
  61. Planet X/Nibiru, is it real?
  62. Youv heard this a million times.
  63. Nibaru or Planet X
  64. Mayan calendar
  65. 2012 Article?
  66. can i say something please on planet x
  67. Nibiru
  68. The growing earth.... :P
  69. Our Solar System's Eclipse of the Galactic Plane on Dec 21, 2012?
  70. Something scaring the hell out of me....
  71. It's Only the end of the World AGAIN!!! (Woo Woo Alert)
  72. 2021 Doomsday
  73. is it just me or is the milky way brighter..?
  74. Polar Shift in 2012?
  75. I would like to ask about Nubiru stuff...
  76. Bit behind the times, my appologies...
  77. the "pole shift thing"
  78. All the Truth about 2012
  79. Confused about 2012 (yes, another one!)
  80. Another paranoia mind due to 2012
  81. novelty theory
  82. Possibility of Pole Shift
  83. 2012 Vectors
  84. Nibiru Question
  85. Odd things floating on google sky
  86. 2012 end of the world?
  87. 2012 and Solar Storms?
  88. Nibiru
  89. Sun polar shift weirdness.
  90. Question? [2012]
Universe Today: No Doomsday in 2012
Bad Astronomy Blog: 2012, the year nothing will happen
Universe Today: 2012: No Planet X
Universe Today: 2012: Planet X is not Nibiru
Universe Today: 2012: No Killer Solar Flare
Universe Today: 2012: No Geomagnetic Reversal
Universe Today: 2012: No Comet
Universe Today: Another Voice Against 2012 Mania
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is this correct? Cause if it is, we're gonna become primitive dark age cannibals again and that wont last long with all the stuff in the water.
I'm curious about your use of the phrase "primitive dark age cannibals." Why do you believe everyone's ethical stance will be changed if we do lose the grid? (We won't, at least not for long.) I'm sure you mean it as hyperbole--I hope you mean it as hyperbole. However, I'd like you to really think about it. A solar flare does not last long. Even assuming every transformer on Earth blew, assuming every satellite were knocked out, and so forth, we do still have the knowledge to rebuild.
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I've come across this story randomly that said that the sun polar shift around 2012 will create a solar storm and could send a big plasma blob towards earth that would knock off any means of communication/electricity/tv etc..

is this correct? Cause if it is, we're gonna become primitive dark age cannibals again and that wont last long with all the stuff in the water.
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Wrong, i'm not some conspiracy nut or anything; i just saw that no one was talking about these sun storm things and i wanted to see what this forum had to say about it. You guys do know what getting a second opinion means right?
Don't go screaming AHHH TROLL at me.
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Old 17-June-2009, 05:50 AM
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but could this whipe out the electric power grid?
According to this article, yes it could. We don't really know, but it could be quite serious. We can't be sure of the effects because we've never experienced a "Carrington event" in the telecom age.
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So in these three years, how would we be able to manufacture and transport goods and fuel from place to place, and what would be the jobs of most people in such a crisis? Would anyone in developed nations starve? How much in the way of food should one stock up in anticipation of such a disaster?

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As Jens said, a very high energy Coronal Mass Ejection could have very serious consequences on such things as the power grid. But the odds of such an event are very low.

But, the latest projects are that the next solar cycle will not peak till about May 2013 (not December 21, 2012), and this will actually be a pretty quiet cycle.

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May 8, 2009 -- Solar Cycle 24 Prediction Update The Solar Cycle 24 Prediction Panel has reached a consensus decision on the prediction of the next solar cycle (Cycle 24). First, the panel has agreed that solar minimum occurred in December, 2008. This still qualifies as a prediction since the smoothed sunspot number is only valid through September, 2008. The panel has decided that the next solar cycle will be below average in intensity, with a maximum sunspot number of 90. Given the predicted date of solar minimum and the predicted maximum intensity, solar maximum is now expected to occur in May, 2013. Note, this is a consensus opinion, not a unanimous decision. A supermajority of the panel did agree to this prediction.
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Would anyone in developed nations starve?
People in developed nations starve every day.
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People in developed nations starve every day.
[nitpick]Are't you thinking of developing countries, Gillianren?[/nitpick]

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[nitpick]Are't you thinking of developing countries, Gillianren?[/nitpick]
No, I'm sure she meant developed countries. And she is correct to say so. There are people who starve to death in places like the US and Germany and Japan. I don't know if "every day" is is correct, but it certainly happens.
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What makes 2012 more likely that a CME will hurtle to earth and fry our satellites and electric grids? I will tell you...

Its all because the Mayan calendar runs out.

There seems to be a direct link: end of the long count calendar, CME's attracted to earth. Scientists can not explain the correlation, but there are a lot of non-scientific people on the web who can...for $19.95.
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No, I'm sure she meant developed countries. And she is correct to say so. There are people who starve to death in places like the US and Germany and Japan. I don't know if "every day" is is correct, but it certainly happens.
I've looked at the figures. It's every day. It's pretty heartbreaking.
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OK, I'd love to see where you got the idea that people actually starve to death even in 1st world countries. Go hungry, yes, but starve to death? In other words, "cite, please?"

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OK, I'd love to see where you got the idea that people actually starve to death even in 1st world countries. Go hungry, yes, but starve to death? In other words, "cite, please?"
I can't give you specific citations, but I read the newspaper, and from time to time I see stories about somebody starving to death (really starving to death) in Japan, which is one of the richest countries in the world. Usually it is an elderly person who was rejected from welfare for some reason, and didn't have relatives to rely on.
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OK, I'd love to see where you got the idea that people actually starve to death even in 1st world countries. Go hungry, yes, but starve to death? In other words, "cite, please?"
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^ I don't want that to happen to me, and I feel my family is just a few steps away from suffering that fate. What's a broke-as-heck family supposed to do?

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Might I suggest that we limit the discussion in this thread to 2012 and solar storms, and if people want to discuss other topics, that they do that in other threads
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