To anyone who's going to this (non) event, I'd be willing to chip in to get a couple of thousand business cards printed up, saying something like this:

- Form an educated opinion -
- Get both sides of the story -
- Visit -
- www.badastronomy.com -
- www.clavius.org -

Hand those to anyone attending the premier, and be sure to mention that they can get everything on these sites for free - what's BS charging for a glimpse of his latest trash?

That's a really great idea, Zeit. BS would look terrible if he tried to stop you.

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Well, I'm in Massachusetts, I really hadn't planned on going to Tennessee this month - but I can do the layout of a business card like this and get them printed. Thursday's coming up pretty quick though, not sure if there's time for me to get this done and get them to anyone in TN.

To those of you planning to attend, can you get them printed if I do a layout for a card and email it to you? I'll paypal you $20 to help with printing costs - anyone else want to chip in?

You can access a preview of the new movie on BS's website. I watched it and have to say it leaves me utterly speechless (or maybe using words I'd get banned for). It starts off with the infamous Aldrin punch and goes on to show BS harassing various astronauts and getting the expected response. It's hard to believe that he's actually proud of all this. Utter and absolute contempt does not begin to describe how I feel about this excretion from a foul-smelling invertebrate.

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Talked to my buddy, but he hasn't been able to find out too much about it. Apparently, Van Allen is going to be there. Why, I have no idea.

So would it be in poor taste if we showed up sporting T-shirts with Buzz Aldrin Still Kicks *** on 'em?

Did you notice that early on in the clips that some of the dialog had been dubbed in later on? Now why would he do that? Inquiring minds want to know. Frankly, I just want to know why one of the astronauts hasn't beat the crap out of this [amazingly offensive word deleted]?

Never before in history had such an historic event been without independent press coverage. There were, after all, only three first hand witnesses to each moon landing. Whatever sound and pictures were shown to the public were strictly, and completely, controlled and previewed, by the federal government before they were broadcast or distributed to the populous.

from bs's site
http://www.moonmovie.com/commentary.htm

considering that our lot (aussies)were providing the radio link for apollo 11 and also numerous radio amateurs (ham radio-yuck i hate that term) also listened to it,id love to know exactly HOW the us gubmint did this controlling
the MIB must have been really busy down under #-o

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The arguments from our international co-conspirators (er, um, cough, collaborators) are persuasive; Sibrel seems to have no idea that picking up Apollo signals was a global effort. But his argument is a red herring anyway.

The signals had to originate with NASA because it was a NASA mission. There was no possibility for independent filmmakers to ride along. The signals had to be carried by a NASA network because no other such network existed; it had to be specially built to accommodate the signals. And as has been noted, it was built using equipment owned and operated by other countries. The arguments that those stations were simply overrun by NASA types has been repudiated by people who were there: Mike Dinn and others.

Finally the claim that NASA forced newsmen to film off their big-screen television is utterly false, again disputed by the people who (unlike Sibrel) were actually there. In fact, tremendous effort was undertaken to "genlocK" (i.e., synchronize) the downlink feed to earth-based time standards that were used by all the American television networks. This would allow them to switch from commentators to downlink signals without a flicker as the equipment re-synched on the new signal. Bart Sibrel simply doesn't know what he's talking about; hasn't done his homework.

To draw a parallel, we might claim that the five-second pause in this year's Academy Awards show and the fact that, say, Telemundo and RAI cameras were not allowed inside and those networks had to make do with the feed provided by the Academy's cameras, is "proof" that the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences is really some sinister organization. They exercised more control over that broadcast than NASA did over the moon landing downlinks. The fact that it traveled over NASA-built equipment -- necessarily so, for technical reasons -- until it was given to the networks at Houston doesn't prove NASA was exercising some draconian extent of control over it. That's simply technically what was required to provide the signal at all. Sibrel has pre-determined that NASA is evil, and so any influence they did (or even could have but arguably didn't) exert over the broadcast can "only" have sinister motives.

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I saw Bart's intro for his new "Astronauts Gone Wild" film. I was wishing that Alec Baldwin or Tommy Lee were moonwalkers. Although Buzz did do a pretty good Sean Penn & paparazzi encounter...hehe

That's where Der Voron resides.

I don't think Der Voron is involved with it. I have extensive correspondence from Voron, and the stylometry just doesn't make a connection. Voron speaks like someone who doesn't speak English natively, which is his situation. Hawkins et al. write like an American teenager.

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Has anyone alerted Buzz Aldrin? He has a long reach -- maybe he can even file an injunction against unauthorized use of his identity.

I've tried the following approach a few times with journalists, to debunk this 'secret' footage, and I struck out every time. Was I being -- GASP! -- too 'real', or just too 'detailed'?

Sibrel says the sequence lasts 18 to 20 minutes. And was taken in low Earth orbit.

Because of orbital speed and altitude, communications with (and optical observations of) such satellites cannot last more than several minutes, say 3 or 4, as they cross from horizon to horizon.

So no TV transmission from anything in low orbit could last more than 3 or 4 minutes, NOT the 18-20 minutes of this sequence.

It's length is PROOF it was transmitted from deep space.

No, you can't fantasy a string of ground sites handing off one after the other. Only a handful of sites had TV downlink capability -- Canberra, for one, and Goldstone and Merritt Island in the US, any others?

So the evidence he presents, itself contains evidence refuting his interpretation, and he can't even realize it.

Wow, excellent point Jim! It's a shame it strikes out with journalists, has America really been "dumbed down" that far?

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I'm embarassed for my country...

Now, this is interesting. What do you mean, "Struck out?" They ignored it? They misquoted it? They refused to believe it? All of the foregoing?

That's an excellent point, Jim. But Sibrel obviously has no understanding of orbital mechanics given his TETR-A argument. And the typical layman doesn't understand the line-of-sight requirement as a strenuous limit, the way that an engineer would.

The best argument has always been to let people see the whole video, not the snip or two that Sibrel shows you. He talks about the footage for several minutes, but I'm interested in data, not interpretation.

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Should we prepare a list of questions and refutations ahead of time?

I had an idea. Maybe we should hound him to swear on the bible that the moon landings were faked. We'll have to be sure to bring one. My only fear would be that he WOULD do it and then what?

Sibrel has already said he'd stake his life on their having been faked. I say bring a really nasty looking Klingon knife and ask him if he's serious about that. :-)

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If I were going, I would seriously bring a bunch of business cards like I described earlier - print the URLs of the major hoax debunking sites, BA, Clavius, etc and distribute them to anyone who attends. Sibrel can't stop you from doing so, without looking like a creep, and you're breaking no laws.

Yeah, but I think a gang of toughs saying, "Buzz sent us to finish the job." would make a deeper impression on him!