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Old 05-March-2004, 03:20 PM
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I think that most of us here feel that the Charles Hawkins Book was a hoax. I'm wondering if the Mary Morrelli/Brian Wilson/Charles Hawkins could be fine or arrested for false advertising?
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I think that most of us here feel that the Charles Hawkins Book was a hoax. I'm wondering if the Mary Morrelli/Brian Wilson/Charles Hawkins could be fine or arrested for false advertising?
Geez, Charles Hawkins is a hoax! Goes back to that one theory; maybe there is no Bart Siberl/Brian Wilson ect. They're just some guy (or gal) that goes around creating controversy.
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Well, I found this site that details the laws regarding false advertising in New York. Link

This part is of particular interest.

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Bait and Switch Advertising

• General Business Law § 396

A store cannot advertise an item for sale without providing an adequate supply of the item to consumers. It is illegal to advertise or offer for sale merchandise or services with the purpose not to sell at the advertised price or not to sell at all. Unscrupulous merchants have been prosecuted for advertising an item at a sale price without having the item in stock. With interested buyers in their store, they try to entice the consumers into buying more expensive items or services. The New York General Business Law, along with Federal Trade Commission regulations, prohibits a merchant from offering merchandise or services without the intent to sell the offered merchandise or services.[9]
The thing is, was anyone actually harmed by this? The court system is so clogged that finding someone with the clout to actually pursue this is highly unlikely.
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That law sounds like it's aimed more at punishing unscrupulous merchants. Amazon would be the target here, and it seems there is little evidence that Amazone has colluded with Hawkins to offer for sale a book that does not exist.

Hawkins has surely baited, at this point, but has not switched. The letter of the law, however, requires Hawkins to supply the book; if he offers it for sale -- either directly or through a mediator -- and has no intent of ever providing it for sale, then I believe he will have violated at least one of the provisions of the law. But the law seems to presume the violator has control over what else is offered for sale, and Hawkins does not control what Amazon sells.

Identifying the injurious party, if any, is difficult in this case. If Hawkins arranged with Amazon simply to advertise his book, and Amazon had no agreement to provide warehousing or shipping services, then they have no ability to control the on-hand stock of the book and cannot be held liable. If Hawkins has no intent to sell his book, but no intent to sell any other product or service, then it is questionable whether he fits the definition here. It seems Amazon would be the injured party, in that they offered their advertisement services under the expectation that it will sell. Any customer, of course, who is charged money for the book and does not receive it would be an injured party, but under a different law.
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The thing is, was anyone actually harmed by this?
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The thing is, was anyone actually harmed by this?
Amazon.com
Far better than the harm that would have been done if the book actually did make it into circulation.
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The thing is, was anyone actually harmed by this?
Amazon.com
Far better than the harm that would have been done if the book actually did make it into circulation.
Guess this answers my question from the other topic, right?
By the way, how do you make links to other messages? Can't figure it out. :-k
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Here's how I do it. I open the message I want to post in - say this one.

Then, I open a new browser window and got to the message I want to link to. For this example, I will use the Hoagland Debunked thread, beacause I like that one.

Make sure you open the thread to the exact page you want to reference.

Then highlight the address bar and hit CTRL-C

Come back to your reply window and type:

URL text

which will look like this:

Hoagland Debunked

If you ever forget how to rename a link, just hover your mouse over the URL button above the reply window.

Hope that helps.
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