Yeah, I guess I wouldn't want to end up in court with that moron on the other side of the litigator's table either - not worth the hassle! Good luck, and give us a full report!

I'm not an Apollo expert so I can't comment on the validity of the specific facts but I think the language of the document is great - lots of facts, websites and phone numbers for more information, disclaimer about the expertise of the writer, no personal or implied personal attacks.

I don't think anyone cares that Buzz Aldrin hit himself!!

Arrrgh......

excellent catch, change made.

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JayUtah wrote:
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I think this is a great paper, but this is the weakest part. It doesn't emphasize that BS was the instigator, nor does it mention that BS's complaint was thrown out of court. I'm not sure if it is possible to do so and stay consistent with the "just the facts" flavor of the rest of the paper. Too bad we don't know if the full unedited footage (including BS asking if the photographer caught the act on tape) is in the film being shown. If we know for a fact that it isn't, then you can state that the film being shown had portions edited out, and that a judge viewing the unedited footage dismissed BS's complaint.

I feel that the paper would be stronger if this was left out.

Also, I think it is important to note what BS leaves out. How does he explain the rocks? Does he claim that every geologist (or do we call them lunologists?) is in on the conspiracy too, since everyone agrees that the rocks could not have formed on Earth. Does he claim that an unmanned rocket retrieved them? If so, then it must have left Low Earth Orbit. Does he talk about the mirrors on the moon? What about that Apollo 10 third stage(IIRC) that was recently found to have been in solar orbit for the last 30something years? How did it get from LEO to Solar orbit with no fuel? The astronomer who found it had no idea it was an Apollo artifact. No doubt BS has ready made answers for these types of things, but simply asking why he chose not to include them in the film may serve to install more than a seed of doubt in the more gullible folks in the audience. His rebuttals will probably take the form of attacking your credibility "Have you actually seen the mirrors?" "Why don't you tell us why you know the rocks couldn't have formed on Earth?" , or he could resort to his old favorite: "You are a NASA employee!!"



Good luck and don't be surprised if he has a copy of your letter with "rebuttals" in hand before you even get there. He is certainly following this thread very closely.

Really?

Hi Bart! *waves*

Darn double post!!

jfribrg, I see your point, but since that punch may be the strongest thing in the film, IMHO, it needs to be addressed.

RAF, jfriburg, I'd love to put everything in there, but this is for press members who are not interested in reading 4-5 pages--in fact, that I could not get it in 1 page acts against me in getting them to read it at all.
<sigh> I'll take a look and see what I can do.

and if BS is reading this, I am not planning to be disruptive or disrespectful in the least, I am coming to take notes and listen to what you have to say. If I should have questions, they will be honest and respectful. I trust you replies will be the same.

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JayUtah wrote:
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I think they would be called Selenologists

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I was thinking that there might not even be an chance to question Mr. Sibrel...if I was him, I wouldn't give anyone an opportunity to criticize my "film"! Of course, this is a big night for him, so his ego might "take over".

I agree that what you have in that paper is fine. Sorry that you misunderstood me. I wasn't too clear about what I meant. I wasn't suggesting that you incorporate all that into your paper (thats what the BA and Clavius web site references are for), but just a few comments on things to keep in the back of your head as you attend. I was also thinking about the next time he has a public showing. The press paper could be improved for next time if we have some accurate information about exactly what is and is not in the film (without enriching him by purchasing it). Having those comments in mind as you watch may make your note-taking a little easier. If the opportunity presents itself in a Q/A session or something, then having a list of things that were not addressed would be useful. Also, BS does have a skill for making his detractors look silly, and the best way to prevent that is to know what kinds of credibility attacks he might use and have a calm response ready. If he does in fact know about this thread, then he will certainly do something to mute its effect, so it is best to be prepared.

That's what I meant too...

Jst FYI, I won't be the Lone BABB'er...Avatar28 is also planning to meet me there. Anyone else?

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....to head up to Nashville. I'll try and report tomorrow to the folks here. Don't expect any fireworks, but I'll try to get down the salient points.

wish Avator and I luck. Here there be dragons......

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