....so who else is game?

Thursday, 11 March 2004, Belcourt Theatre, 2102 Belcourt Avenue (Hillsboro Village), Nashville, 6:30pm reception (think I'll skip that) [-( 7:00pm Showtime. Tickets are $7.00 (hate to think I'm contributing to the welfare of BS, but for duty and humanity...) :x

I'm in the Huntsville area so anyone interested in carpooling can PM me and we'll discuss it. Any Nashville folks want to meet up, give us a place or spot to rally round. Depending on the woo-woo faction in Tennessee, we may have more skeptics than HB's there, and wouldn't that be something.

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JayUtah wrote:
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I'm in Nashville. Lemme know how many people may be coming and I'll figure out a good place to meet. Didn't really have much luck with getting some NASA folks to come up (actually, they worked for a contractor anyways).

I agree that I hate to think that I'm supporting BS's BS, but maybe it'll be worth it. We definitely need to go in prepared. So, we need some suggestions for folks on questions and such to ask. Let's make this a collaborative effort.

Want to do an interview with me for the msnbc.com website after the evening? Or is this a topic best left unadvertised?

My home phone is 281-337-2838 here in the Houston area.

Bring short press kits for any news media who show up. They can be given my phone number for quotes, too, if they like -- the notorious 'NASA-hired gun' who got suddenly canceled.

Nah, I think you should go up to Sibrel, call him a liar and a crook, then ask him to swear on a Bible that he's not the south end of a north-facing equine. And be sure to have a camera crew ready. Then you'll have material for your own film!

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Alas, I'm too far from Nashville, but perhaps as BS is talking, you can loudly discuss among yourselves how wrong he is. You're not so much being hecklers, but letting people know that all his BS has a more reasonable explanation. With BA's permission, maybe you can print up a quantity of business cards with the BA's web site and a brief invitation to see proof that we really did land go to the moon, or maybe a double sided fact sheet with short explanations of all of the major points that BS will mention. Hand them to the folks on the way in, which might put them in a more critical thinking frame of mind. You don't even have to buy a ticket to stand outside and pass literature out. If there are any people from the press there, it is very important to get some kind of literature into their hands. Giving them some ready made copy makes their job easier and they might actually report on the silliness of BS's arguments. Reporters love controversy. Maybe you can get BS to slug one of you while someone else videotapes it, but when he does, make sure you dont ask the photographer if the camera was running.

Of course maybe BS makes most of his money from debunkers who attend his lectures. I can't get anyone to give me 7 bucks to listen to what I have to say, so maybe BS is on to something .

Assuming he is using a DVD player to show his movie, maybe you should commandeer the player and play the Spacecraftfilms Apollo 11 DVD instead. You'll have to provide your own narration though.

Well, no other feelers as of this time, so it may be a lonely little skeptic, but I'll report as best I can on Friday.

I don't have time to do cards or other stuff (my job is a bit of a handful now), but I will take Mr. Oberg's advice and have some sort of sheet ready referring folks to BA and Clavius (can you recommend any others?) and take Mr. Oberg's kind offer and give his number to Certified Members of the Press ONLY.

And I will behave myself, folks, and anyone sitting with me will to. the BABB is a classly place run by a classy guy and I'll not embarrass it or him.

However, if B.S. manages to react to a calm and logical question in such a way as to cast doubt on his own character....... =D>

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JayUtah wrote:
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Would any of you going to Sibrel's preview consent to write a review for Clavius?

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Clavius Moon Base

Jay, I'll try and take notes, but be advised that my last science class was 30 years ago and I'm perhaps not the best equipped to write anything. But I will take a notepad with me--and I encourage any others with more knowledge than I to step forward to help Jay out.

PS, with your permission I will try to distribute information referring folks to Clavius for more info. Same with the BA site. We'll see if there is a pickup in activity afterwards.

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JayUtah wrote:
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There is also a pretty extensive list of pro-Apollo sites at the bottom of my Web page if you want to include any of these.

Deleted, see Second Draft below.

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JayUtah wrote:
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Nice and moderate. None of that pretensious starving children amid Saturn launches to evoke totally uncritical emotional responses. However, it's Sibrel, not Stribel. And the correct term would be low earth orbit (LEO) and NEO applies to objects in the general vicinity of Earth rather than in low orbit.

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Well, for one his name is "Sibrel", not "Stribel".

That's pretty good. You can add that any reporter can contact me as well at badastro@badastronomy.com (I'd rather not give out my phone number here).

I suggest you list his claims using bullets, to set them apart from the rest of the text. That makes it easier on the press.

I would also give it a title that makes it clear what's going on, like "Bart Sibrel is not telling you the truth" or some such. Any better ideas?

Hutch, maybe you should edit out Jim Oberg's phone number in your proposal posted above if it should only be distributed among the members of the press so not every woo-woo is going to phone up Jim and call him a NASA-stooge...

Harald

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You also might want to delete James Oberg's phone number in your post as anyone looking at this thread can read it.

I, for once, disagree with the BA. Given Sibrel has shown in the past that he will "get legal" on people (such as Buzz), I'd advise not having any potentially inflammatory language such as "He's not telling the truth" in the statement. Stay away from personal attacks or implied personal attacks as much as possible, including the comparison of his actions to "professional journalists". Note that you disagree with Sibrel but stick to the facts.

If Bart claims for the umptieth time that astronauts refused to swear on the Bible that they walked on the Moon, you can tell that Ed Mitchell (Apollo 14) actually did before realizing who this guy was and sending him out of his flat with a kick in his butt.
Maybe that's a point short enough for a pointed interjection.

BS: All astronauts refused to swear blablabla
You: That's a lie! Ed Mitchell of Apollo 14 did! Before he found out what kind of person you are and kicked you out of his flat!"

or

BS: I asked n astronauts to swear blabla and all refused to do so.
You: Why don't you tell the people you asked n+1 because Ed Mitchell...

or something like that.

BTW: How are the chances that BS is reading here? Maybe we needed a closed conspiracy forum for trusted BABBlers only... ;-)

Harald

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Let him read! Let him realise that his days are numbered!

Down with Sibrel!

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Thanks for the comments. I'll do the changes as requested.

Mr. Oberg has already posted his phone number on the BABB, so he let the dijiin out of that particular bottle; however, I'll try and edit that out for this thread.

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JayUtah wrote:
The marketplace of ideas ensures that each item is put on display, but does not compel its purchase.

Kucharek, if this video is the one BS previews on his web site, it has the clip of Ed Mitchell swearing on the bible, then kicking him in the butt when he bends over to pick up something - I don't think the n+1 debate will work. It sure is a funny moment though - the comical aspect almost makes it worth the purchase price!

"Not telling the truth" is not the same as lying. Anyone who says something mistakenly can be said to not be telling the truth.

However, I'll concede the point. "Bart Sibrel Is Wrong!" might be more accurate, and succinct.