My final project for my "Technology in the Classroom" was to make a multimedia website/audio/video learning thingy. I chose to write what I knew about, which was the Moon Hoax.

I passed the class and got my Master's in Ed, and I am going to keep the website up for all to enjoy.


HUMANS HAVE WALKED ON THE MOON

These are 3 documentaries, written by, shot by, and put together by, me. I chose to go for offensive evidence. What is the best evidence to prove that we DID go to the moon (instead of jumping thru the hoaxers hoops of "no stars" and nonsuch). THis is something that THEY have to answer.

This are windows media files, so activate your movie viewers accordingly. All criticism will be accepted. The worst that happens is that you tell me they suck and I take down the site:::
and I still get my masters. No harm done.

Hope you enjoy

HUMANS HAVE WALKED ON THE MOON

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HUMANS HAVE WALKED ON THE MOON

There is a certain inherent problem with your arguments. Basically any evidence can be discounted by a sufficiently creative conspiracist.

The laser reflectors you mention are good evidence that something went to the moon. However, the conspiracists need merely assert it was robotic landers that took the reflectors to the moon, not humans. Heck, the Russians did that. Nevermind that the details of the description of the hardware is available, and placement and alignment was important. Just assert it was robots that could have done it, humans not required.

There have been attempts to explain away the Russians by stating that there was a secret deal struck between our governments involving wheat sent to for a famine, whereby they agreed to consent to the hoax. Nevermine the whole purpose for the moon missions was to beat the Russians. Somehow the Cold War must not have been real, or at least not that important.

Rocks, schmocks. They are Earth rocks cooked in a special "radiation oven", or some such. I know, sounds silly, but that's what they say.

Overall, you do make three very strong points. I just want to point out the mindset that allows them to brush those issues aside.

Well, I've only watch the "Moon rocks" presentation (i've got a verrry slooow connection)...and I liked it, a lot. Welcome to the board and congratulations on your masters!

I'm off to watch the rest!

Here I am. Ready to nitpick.

I can't watch it yet, being at work and all, but based on your description, if you are ignoring the hoax believers, then this wouldn't be debunking would it? It would be more of a presenting the evidence, right?

I just want to make sure I have the semantics straight in my head.

I'm not really a nit picker. I swear.

Welcome to the board. 8)

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This raises an interesting question. Laser reflectors and moon rocks are things we like to use to convince the skeptical, but they may not be the best arguments. That is, they may sound good to us, but that doesn't mean they are convincing to Joe Sixpack. Disregarding the arguments we think are cool, are there any that have worked particularly well to convince fence-sitters?

Tracking. This is the one that I find is a clincher.

When explaining the arguments in favour of the case, I go through the usual suspects: Scale, LRRR, Rocks, Photos/Video/TV, Russians, etc. But I always close with the tracking by the MSFN and 'eavesdropping' by ham radio operators worldwide. Surprisingly, I find that this is the one where people take a figurative step back & think about the impossible logistics of a hoax.

My guess is that this is the one that adds the greatest number of 'NASA-independent' protagonists to the discussion (edited to add: in the mind of the undecided layperson).

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I will agree. Countering HB evidence seems alot more effective. Adding these facts after is good though.

The soviet arguement is good for countering the Van Allen radiation claims as well.

What I want to know is if the Russians knew it was a hoax and were bought off, why didn't they ask to get some to. I mean how hard would it have been to mocked up some Soviet Moon Landings at the same time as the US ones. Then they could have played theirs a few months later and bemoaned, "Oh the capitalist pigs beat us, but at lest we made it." But they never did, which to me seems incredulous if it was all a hoax and they knew it was.

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Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

Don't forget to mention The Moon Trees.

Stuart Roosa took a large number of tree seeds with him on Apollo 14.

After he came back, they were donated to various Parks and Universities, often as a part of their Bicentenial Celebration.

I have never gotten the chance myself, but touching a tree that experienced 1.14 rads over a nine-day period, WOW!

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Sheeeze, come on, you are forgetting that they never left earth's orbit because they couldn't get through the radiation, so that means they were never exposed and thats why they grew. :roll:

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Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

Funny you should mention that, PhantomWolf--I was just thinking about that the other day. Maybe LBJ and Brehznev could have flipped a coin to see who got to be first to the moon. ;-)

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Yes but if the radiation was worse than expected the trees could of grown into huge walking monsters and, no doubt, ravished the earth by now.

No, because you aren't thinking like a conspirsist. If the seeds never left the Earth's orbit, they were never exposed to any radition, let alone enough to turn them into mutant Ents. That would be their point. There was no mutation or change because they simply where never exposed because they never went to the moon and back.

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Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

So the fact that there aren't giant trees rampaging through the city streets is proof that we didn't go to the moon. Has RH or BS investigated this line of thought yet? Because that is pretty damn compelling evidence!

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Actually I am saying it proves that the VAB radiation is not as bad as some claim.

No, no, no, no... You are still making the assumption that they actually went through the VAB. The very fact that they didn't get mutated into bloodthristy and rampaging Ents seeking out hobbit brains, is not proof that the radiation is less that claimed, it is proof that they didn't go anywhere near the VAB's because if they had, they would be such monsters.

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Apollo: The History and the Hoax
Enter the World of Athran

Precisely. The incontrovertible chain of logic runs:

- The radiation in and above the Van Allen Belts is great enough to roast a chicken in 5 seconds flat. We know this to be true because everybody knows space radiation is bad.

- Stu Roosa claimed to have taken seeds to the moon.

- But if he had done so, the radiation would have caused them to mutate into huge, man-eating monster trees. This would clearly have been the effect, as this is what happened in a thousand 1950's sci-fi flicks, and they couldn't all be wrong.

- So the fact that there aren't giant trees rampaging through downtown Los Angeles proves conclusively that the seeds were not exposed to the radiation. Ergo, they never went to the moon. QED.

Debunk THAT, all you Apollo-apologists!

(Wow. This HB-type logic is actually quite cathartic! I think I'll now prove that James Cook was never killed in the Sandwich Islands, but is even now controlling the world economy by using telekinesis from a small colony of rebel penguins on Mimas).

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I think the Casualty Rate of Apollo 14, speaks for itself.

Of the 21 men who flew on the Missions where a landing was intended, only 5, are no longer amoung the Living: Commander Charles Conrad, Jr., Commander Ronald Ellwin Evans, Major Stuart Allen Roosa, Rear Admiral Alan Bartlett Shepard, Jr., and John Leonard Swigert, Jr.

2 of them, Roosa and Shepard, Flew on Apollo 14.

One would have to Hazard a guess, that they did something in their younger days, that wasn't very Healthy.

I believe their accumulating, an estimated 2.85 rem over a nine-day period, might just have something to do with it ...

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