21:00 - 22:30 (British Summer Time) 12 May 2004


Other conspiracy theories will be covered, so we are told

For the link to this programme Click Here

For Channel 5 Click here

I do not know if those across the pond will be able to access this programme

You've got a Channel 5 now?

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We've had one for years.

Last time I was over there, you only had four channels (not counting the satellite ones), but then that was 12 years ago.

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Channel 5 is great, cheap imports, 'Erotic' films Sex 'Documentaries' and general lowbrow stuff. now and then they throw out something 'cultural' to keep the regulating authorities off their backs. I have to say though, they are the only channel that regularly show Westerns. they just had an Audie murphy series

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How long you`ve had channel 5 depends on where you are in the country. For the first year i could get a bad picture and no sound or sound and no picture. Now the reception depends on where i am in my room (im watching mainly on a pc-tv card)
The best thing about 5 is they show some discovery channel stuff and Hockey. (go leaf g...oh dear).

I think its the channel most likely to show the debunking program that a certain, rather knowledgable, board member was involved in.

Actually it was Channel 5 that showed the Fox TV programme that said the moon landings were all faked.

Thanx Sticks. I didn't know, no pub for me tonight!

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It also paid for a debunking documentary so i think its either undecided on the issue, or more likely it doesnt care.

The list was as follows

In reverse order

10 NASA faked the moon landings (I thought this would score higher :-? )

9 Marilyn Monroe was murdered

8 UFO's are real (There was a side show about crop circles here)

7 Elvis faked his own death

6 The British Royal family are really Alien Reptile lizard shapeshifters

5 Diana Princess of Wales was murdered

4 Hitler faked his own death and lived past WWII

3 Alien Abductions are real and sanctioned by treaty with the US government

2 Kennedy was assasinated by a conspiracy (They also bumped of Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy



1) Secret mind control experiments on unsuspecting members of the public by government scientists


(I wonder how long they will allow this thread to remain )


The 9-11 conspiracy theory did not make the top ten I see

My favourite one is that some of the wacky conspiracy theories are invented to discredit geruine conspiracy theorists and thus hide the truth. :roll:

Was it me, or didn't they question the suggestion that the moon landings were faked as much as some of the other ideas in the top 10? They suggested that because NASA rehearsed the landing in the desert, that's what they used for the 'real thing'.

No mention of lack of stars in the photos, but they did say the photos were too good quality to have been taken by men wearing thick gloves. Then they showed that the astronauts practised with cameras attached to their space suits. One thing they questioned was a photo of Buzz Aldrin climbing down the ladder to the surface of the Moon. The sun was behind him, but his space suit was lit with a diffuse light from a different direction. The argument was that it seemed too bright to be reflected light from the Moon's surface. (It was a brilliant white suit against a dark background of the lunar module.)

And are there really that many thousands of web sites on each of these conspiracy theories, as they said, or did they mean hits in Google?

I liked the man who described how he made crop circles saying he saw David Icke meditating in one of them!

And UFOs are flying saucers built by the Nazis at a secret base at the South Pole???

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Just looked at the photo again. The Sun was in front of him, as was the lunar lander that he climbed down from - which is why he was in shadow.
It was the same old arguments from a guy called Marcus Allen (Nexus Magazine). Only one was new to me, which was the alleged Bar fight between two astronauts over showgirl, Peachy Keen. Supposedly took place in Las Vegas in between 'takes' of the filming in the desert .

Glad to see RCH didn't make it, but the face on Mars did. As they told it, Elvis recognised it as an image of him and faked his own death to prevent the world finding out he was a martian.

I would not be surprised if there were. They quoted 10,700 dedicated websites on the Lunar Conspiracy but they did confess they used internet search engines to derive that figure.

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Thanks, the photo was only on screen briefly, not long enough for me to see properly how it was lit. From what I remember, the commentary said that the Sun was behind the lander, and I assumed they were at least right about that. Seemingly not.

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No problems.

Just to clear the confusion, found the photo in question here.

The Sun is in front of Aldrin i.e. he is facing the Sun (although it is out of shot, the shadows show the direction). From Aldrin's viewpoint it is behind the Lander - as you have correctly stated.

I 'taped' the programme and I just happened to have seen that particular segment when you posted which is why it was fresh in my mind.

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According to next weeks tv guide, Channel 5 will be showing a programme called The Truth behind the Moon Landings: Stranger than Fiction

It will be shown 21:00 - 22:00 on UK Channel 5

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Thanks for that. Looks like ill be locked on. Plus its preceded by "when pilots eject" between things like that and showing the stanley cup channel 5 is going up a lot in my estimation.

We got a time but not a day.

Wednesday 2nd June

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So when are we going to get this puppy in the US?

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They plugged it with a shot of the Lord of Wackydor voicing his stance. I hope this programme is as good as you say, Jay.

I wouldn't know; I haven't seen it yet.

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That's got to be a little concerning. Your description of the production made it sound pretty darn likely the show was on our side, but some conspiracists will stop at nothing.

Well, I only saw the part of it that I was in. They hadn't yet interviewed the Dark Lord when they did my part. But they had interviewed Rene, and they thought he was pretty comical. I snuck a peak at the script while they weren't looking, and it seemed pretty tilted toward our side. I overheard several comments on during the shoot that suggested they were on our side.

The only thing that bugs me is crediting me as "aerospace engineer". I had a phone conversation with them about that as they were doing the final editing and captioning. I felt that since I wasn't employed in aerospace (at least not directly) at the time they quoted me, and since I didn't actually talk much about aerospace engineering (it was mostly photography and lighting), that this might be a misleading caption. I'll be interested to see what they actually say. I suggested they go simply with "engineer" since it was more accurate at the time and it would cover what I was speaking about.

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I doubt the phrase "strives to debunk his claims" is accurate. The sentence would better reflect the situation if it read, "Bill Kaysing is convinced the mission didn't happen, believing photos and footage are riddled with errors, while aerospace engineer Jay Windley shoots fish in a barrel debunking his claims."

But the term "Strives" hints that the writers are more inclined to the hoax theory. It seems that the more the war in Iraq drags on more people are prepared to believe in the hoax theory.
(Some strange and tenuous link somewhere :roll: )

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Shouldn't there be an announcement of this?

I saw an advertisement for it on Channel 5 this evening and it does look like it's taking the HB's side, rather than a sceptical view. It could just be that they're making it seem a more radical show to gather in a bigger audience.

It's funny because the three points they used in the commercial (flag fluttering, shadows and no stars) are some of the weakest pro-hoax arguements.

http://www.apollohoax.com/forums/vie...7&forum=12

Here's a review from someone who has already seen it in Canada.

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Don't forget that it was Channel 5 that showed the Fox TV programme. What is to stop them editing the programme to turn the tables on the debunkers ?

The anti-Iraq war agenda does seem to dominate and interfere in areas you had not thought were relevant. So more people are inclined to think that everyone at NASA is a liar in a strange tortuos link. If a TV station wants to keep up ratings, will it not pander to this and even feed it ?

Oops I have just invented a conspiracy theory there #-o

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This programme was on before, wasn't it, Geordie?

I missed it then but I've booked my seat in front of the telly for tomorrow.

Of course it will be complete trash, but great fun.

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