I have 25 indisputable reasons why we did not land on the Moon:

1. It would have been impossible for the astroNOTS to get from the Command Module to the Conical Space Capsule, as the heat shield would obtruct them.

2. 35 years ago, I read in a textbook from 1959 that the Van Allen Belts contained deadly radiation that would kill anything in them.

3. There isn't any gravity on the Moon, so time would stop flowing and create an oxbow lake.

4. Oxygen turns into a different kind of oxygen when it leaves the Earth's atmosphere, so you couldn't breathe it.

5. It's 250 degrees on the Moon, so the astronauts would melt. This is also why NASA is covering up liquid water on the Moon, since its wicked witch-like astronauts would obviously melt from the water.

6. If I take a thumbnail image from an Apollo mission and blow it up to 5000% in Photoshop I can see alien cities.

7. There are no stars in the photographs.

8. Apollo 24 was supposed to have a color TV camera, but the studio lost power, so there was no TV. NASA's "excuse" was that the camera was "accidentally pointed at the Sun", but everyone knows there is no Sun on the Moon, otherwise the sky wouldn't appear to be black.

9. Israel is always on the top of Apollo pictures of the Earth, proving the whole thing was faked not by NASA, but by the Mossad.

10. Israel is always missing or barely visible from Apollo pictures of the Earth, proving that the whole thing was faked not by the Mossad, but by NASA.

11. There's nothing for rockets to push against in space. I tried jumping in midair but I couldn't, proving that rockets couldn't move in space.

12. The Apollo Conical Space Capsule(tm) couldn't have carried enough fuel to continuosly fire the engine for all two weeks of the mission. Bill Kaysing realized this in 1910, but he was fired from his highly technical NASA job by evil agents of Richard L. Nixon.

13. The Saturn V booster was almost 800 feet high. Since the Moon has 9 less gravities than Earth, than we should multiply the booster's height by the reciprocal of the 9 gravities, or 1/9. So why wasn't the lunar module 88.888 feet high?

14. All the Apollo pictures were faked in Photoshop. Anyone who thinks otherwise has been brainwashed with mind-expanding drugs.

15. The Moon is so bright that it can blind you in a telescope if you don't project it onto a piece of paper. The astronauts would have been blinded orbiting the Moon. In fact, I took an image of the Moon into Photoshop and turned up the contrast, and the Moon turned pure white while the rest of the sky was pure black. This proves that the Moon is a perfect reflector that reflects 100% of the light it receives from the Sun.

16. I took a picture from the Apollo 11 "landing" movie and processed it for 12 hours, and eventually I found an alien civilization there.

17. The Soviets were going to tip the world off to the fake, but they got wheat at reduced prices, so they decided not to.

18. When Nixon proposed the lunar landing program, he didn't know that Bill Kaysing had already decided it was impossible. So he decided in 1965 behind closed doors in Washington to fake the program.

19. The Saturn V actually fell apart as it launched into space. Amateur videos concealed from NASA clearly show huge parts of the Saturn V falling off of the rest of it, proving that the Saturn V was not a real rocket, but rather a hastily constructed, flimsy one.

20. Top-secret video from the Department of Top-Secret Coverups, from a camera in one of the six engines of the Saturn V that, amazingly could survive the heat of the engine with alien technology, also shows pieces of the Saturn V falling off.

21. Tom Hanks was able to fake it. I couldn't tell the difference.

22. If Apollo 13 really exploded, the astronauts would have died.

23. Someone told me once that the lunar module should have created a crater underneath it. But someone else told me it didn't. So it couldn't have landed.

24. There's no air in space to hold the dust grains on the lunar surface apart, so it should have compacted into a hard, rough, hard material.

So those are my 25 unbeatable reasons. I know you "nutters" are going to try to "debunk" my reasons, but it's not possible. I've been researching this since last Tuesday night, and I heard that a self-taught physicist found out that the astroNOTS couldn't fit through the lunar module's hatch. So there. Ha.

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You're right. i can't debunk it. I am now a HBer.

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To be so cynical at such a tender age....... :wink:


(I do like 19 & 20 - have to remember those. )

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"Certainly, in the topsy-turvy world of heavy rock, having a good solid piece of wood in your hand is often useful." - Ian Faith

I always thought that was the coolest part of a rocket launch, watching the ice- er, I mean, chunks of the spaceship falling off. Very dramatic. (which clearly means that rocket launches are faked, as nothing in real life can be dramatic)

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Unfortunately, we're down to about 17 ounces of the highly unstable stuff that does.

There's no water in space, so how can there be ice?????

Anyway, he's obviously talking about that the whole rocket came apart in space - I saw it myself on the Apollo 13 documentary, big honking chunks just breaking off and falling back to the Earth, rockets, fins the whole shebang.

Oh, and make that the "Van Halen" belts

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All lunar modules except Snoopy created craters. On their second "landing" attempt... ;-)

ABTN gives their estimated diameters as some 30 feet.

And we all know that Aquarius didn't produce a crater. Just a big hole in the water. ;-)

Harald

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I loved #19! =D> Best one I've heard.
And like AstroSmurf suggested #2 should have said "Van Halen Belts".

Sums up conspiracist mentality. If they don't know about it, it doesn't exist. If they don't understand it, it's inexplicable.

Marcus Allen made a similar comment about people not knowing the difference between training footage and real footage. Maybe he couldn't tell the difference, but we can.

So he decided in 1965 behind closed doors in Washington to fake the program.

Nixon wasn't president in 1965.

That's just what they want you to think.

I didn't realize there were so many Apollo missions 24??? and I had no idea Kaysing was so old (see #12). :wink:

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We can't measure and we can't see..." - from Jimmy Buffett's What if the hokey pokey is all it really is about?

I Googled "apollo" and looked through the results for five minutes, disproving lifetimes of research on Apollo. Here are some more amazing FACTS that I have uncovered. All 16 of them.

1. It would have been impossible for the astronauts to get from the Command Module to the Conical Space Capsule, as the heat shield would obstruct them.

2. My Uncle Betty says that his aunt's cousin's wife's roomate's former acquiantance said that he didn't think we landed on the Moon.

4. On the Moon, there's no air to support combustion. Therefore, the lunar rover couldn't go.

3. There's no gas on the Moon, so the astronauts would have had no way to refuel the rover.

5. It would have been impossible for the astronauts to get from the Command Module to the Conical Space Capsule, as the heat shield would obstruct them.

6. Once I weighted a feather and dropped it and it dropped just as fast as a hammer, proving that the experiment from Apollo 22 was faked.

7. They could do it in Capricorn One.

8. Nixon had Kennedy shot by Castro because he knew that we couldn't land on the Moon. Nixon was elected president the next day.

9. On Apollo 9 the rocket was hit by lightning 8 times. But everyone knows that thunder is faster than lightning, so the astronauts would have heard thunder before the lightning hit.

10. It would have been impossible for the astroNOTS to get from the Command Module to the Conical Space Capsule, as the heat shield would obstruct them.

11. On Apollo 10, the booster "POGO"ed. But the pogo stick was invented in 1919, so they should have been able to solve this problem.

12. Neil Armstrong didn't fly all the missions.

13. I heard on a TV show that rendezvous in orbit is hard. So they couldn't have done it, unless they climbed up to the command module from the rope that was hanging out of it.

14. It would have been impossible for the astroNOTS to get from the Command Module to the Conical Space Capsule, as the heat shield would obstruct them.

15. Brad Guth said something about Venus.

As for your attempts to "debunk" me:

Yes he was. Nixon was a freemason.

But I can't. You nutters don't have open minds. How long will it take you to understand?

Oh, by the way, I have a great deal for you. I'm selling convecton ovens. Not only that, but I'm selling boxes of convection. That way, in case your convection oven runs out of convection, you can just pour in some more and it will keep convecting for you. I also carry a convection guage to tell you how much convection is left in your oven. Buy two convection ovens, get one antigrav free.

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Huh? Even Guth or Min might hesitate before offering this one.

You do know he's joking, right?

Yes!

And the Australians were paid off in shrimp?

No, as latter they did with Skylab wreckage, they asked for a higher beef quota... ;-)

Harald

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Who doesn't want low priced wheat?

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We made a deal with the Australians in which we offered to stop killing Canadian kangaroos by the thousands in order for them to help us fake the moon landings. They agreed.

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This one has always confused me... what are they talking about??

This is one of the charges made by the author of the NASAScam web site. He's obviously unaware of even the most basic facts about Apollo, confusing the various modules. Apparently he believes the astronauts were meant to pass between the conical command module and the cylindrical (unmanned) service module.

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Oh... well in that case... I guess we didn't go to the moon after all... 8)

I've seen it elsewhere too, in a few variants, sometimes by the same HBer.

I've seen it claimed that they had to pass through the heatshield because the HBer thinks that the Service Module was habitable. Perhaps this arises from confusion with Soyuz, though frankly, I wouldn't give them that much credit. Somebody that ignorant of Apollo is unlikely to even know what a Soyuz looks like from the outside.

I've also seen it claimed that they must've had to climb back into the LM because that's the way they were stacked in the Saturn V. This ignores the flip-around maneuver, of course.

And I think it was on the NASAscam site where they claimed that they had to have gone through the heat shield (which they also said was impossible) because they couldn't possibly have gone through the top of the CM, because the parachutes were in the way. (This would also apply to Soyuz.)

Sidenote: a Soviet mission successfully tested the concept of a hatch in a heatshield. The hatch held up fine, with the heat of reentry simply fusing it shut as expected. The intention was to use this in the proposed Almaz-VA (Almaz being an orbiting lab and VA being a crew return vehicle; they'd be launched together, a la the USAF MOL concept, with the crew already on board. Unlike MOL, the crew would open a hatch in the VA spacecraft's heatshield to enter the orbiting lab. With MOL, either an inflatable passageway or a spacewalk was required to pass from the Gemini spacecraft to the lab.)

The football player?

AFAIK, the US also tested this. IIRC, it was the unmanned Gemini 2 capsule that just had made a suborbital test flight, that was modified with a heatshield with a hatch and flown again, making it the first reused spacecraft in history. I'll look for some link about this.

Harald

PS: http://whizzospace.com/museum/museum3.htm (with photo of hatch in heatshield)

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Editor of Nexus magazine and friend of David Percy.

If Nasascam weren't so amusing, it would be very angering to be criticised in such an arrogant and insulting manner when his knowledge of Apollo sucks so badly. If you can't tell the difference between the CM and the SM, you have no business coming to judgements about anything related to Apollo.

Of course, on the other hand, he is a disgrace to HBers and so discredits them. (as if they needed any help)

The fliparound manouver is also proof that the moon landings were faked.

If I'm driving down the road in my car, and I suddenly do a u-turn, I'm heading back the way I came! It's simple physics, Bob.

Not that I drive much these days. I foolishly welded my car doors shut, so I can't get into my car without passing through the windshield.

You need to add the step where you tell anybody that logically and scientifically dissects your evidence that they're "not opening their eyes" or "engaging their brain." [-(

I also did a Google search for critically super-scientific information on the Apollo program, and uncovered the following utterly indisputable facts. Only I used two windows so my search took only 2.5 minutes as opposed to BigJim's 5:

1. We never landed on the moon because Tony's mom said "there's an [adjective omitted] man down there at the water cooler who says NASA never landed on the Moon. Everyone was talking about it ... I just didn't know what to say!"

2. The stars did show up in the original "lunar" photographs taken right here on Earth, but were later removed by the NSA using Adobe Photoshop's original beta so no one could use celestial navigation to tell they weren't where they said they were.

3. The rocket couldn't have flown because as everyone knows, tall things tend to tip over, and the moment the tower released it the rocket would have fallen on it's side. That's why the space shuttle is so big and fat - it's more stable.

4. The space race was actully a plot hatched by accountants to funnel massive amounts of dollars away from the U.S. government. It worked, too. Everyone fell for it, including the engineers, mission support specialists, etc. The astronauts were bought off, as they'd be the only eyewitnesses.

5. If Saturn IV could have made it to the moon and back, the space shuttle, with it's vastly newer technology, would be able to make to Mars and back. It can't, so Saturn IV didn't.

6. The technology was so bad back then they couldn't even figure out how to put microphones in the helmets. That's why they used gold foil to cover the face, as the pics and movies are of stunt doubles. The real astronauts were off to the side recording their voices into microphones. Big ones.

7. As you can see here, there's a cat in the photo. http://www.geocities.com/nasascam/APOLLOSCAM/

Cats can't live on the moon. If they faked the photo, they would have had to fake the cat, too, as cats hate cameras.

8. NASA and the NSA are really the same organization, and the A really stands for American.

9. The NSA is a global organization, not just an American one.

10. Four years before they were supposed to land on the moon, the price of wheat in China went through the roof, which is why we agreed to sell wheat to Russia, because they couldn't afford to buy it from their neighbors anymore. The Russians lied, and re-sold the wheat to China, using the money to pay for their own space race.

11. Russian rockets don't fall over because they're wider at the bottom.

12. Since you can fake a picture of a cat on the moon, you can fake a picture of a man on the moon, and faking pictures is a lot cheaper, so it stands to reason the cheapest way to win the space race is just to fake it.

Ok, BigJim - you win. Yours had me in stiches! =D>

I have to ask, is the nasascam site serious? It seemed to be, well until they started going on about dogs and then posting a cat on the moon and the obviously faked double astronaut photo.

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