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Old 16-June-2004, 07:35 AM
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Default Wayne Green is on the Danbury Mint List! woowoo!

In this week's Wayne's World newletter at his site (www.waynegreen.com) he says he got on the Danbuy Mint mailing list!...I qoute him here at the bottom of the page: "To my knowledge, which is considerable, no living person or animal has ever even come close to the Van Allen radiation belt and survived." Let's all e mail him the truth, the hapless woo woo coot that he has become!! thanks.
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Old 16-June-2004, 12:23 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't this make him a Gemini denier as well? I believe at least a few of those missions involved getting "near" the Van Allen belts.
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Old 16-June-2004, 12:29 PM
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Ugh, he has another moon entry in there from May I believe.

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With the temperatures on the Moon varying between –280° in the shade and +280° in the sun, those few people with the ability to wonder are wondering how the Ectachrome film and Hasselblad cameras managed to bring back such clear pictures. According to Kodak scientists, at –280° the film would crack and break when the camera tried to advance it a frame. And, at +280° the film emulsion would melt. Curious.

Further, the Hasselblad was fastened to the astronaut’s chest, with no viewfinder, and no controls for focusing or aperature. With their balloon-like inflated gloves they had no way to operate the usual camera controls, or to even advance the film after each exposure.

Then there’s the x-ray radiation from the sun, unprotected by Earth’s Van Allen Belt, which should have totally fogged the film and killed the astronauts.

Not to mention the navigation precision required to enter the Moon’s orbit at the exact correct angle…a feat our shuttles have been unable to duplicate on their trips to the space stations in near-Earth orbit.

Enough to almost make you stop and think?
I love his claim of considerable knowledge and yet he apparently hasn't heard of self-advancing cameras. Or seems to understand that concept of taking thousands of pictures in hopes of getting a good shot. Nor has he apparently looked at the gloves on a moon suit, or questioned an astronaut, to find out that while the gloves are impeding it's not like they have palsy or anything. #-o
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Old 16-June-2004, 01:14 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't this make him a Gemini denier as well? I believe at least a few of those missions involved getting "near" the Van Allen belts.
The Soviet Moon attempts as well including their Turtles moon orbit, plus the ISS, and shuttle missions which all have passed through parts of the VA Belts.
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This guys web site looks like it is Woo Woo Central and all the lost trains of thought in the world all came in to the station at once.
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Old 16-June-2004, 02:54 PM
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Not to mention the navigation precision required to enter the Moon’s orbit at the exact correct angle…a feat our shuttles have been unable to duplicate on their trips to the space stations in near-Earth orbit.
The rest of the quote was just standard, well-debunked conspiracist junk. This, however, is a bit I hadn't heard before. I'd like to know just what examples he could provide of the Shuttle being unable to accurately navigate to the ISS (or Mir, or Hubble). (Hint: there are none). Of course, that's nothing compared to the post-Apollo astrogational feats of Pioneer, Viking, Voyager, Galileo, Cassini...

Enough to almost make you stop and think?
Well, if I knew nothing at all about the subject, yes. Until I spent a few minutes looking up the information.

The real problem is, true HBers read that line as:
Enough! You, stop thinking!
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Old 16-June-2004, 09:09 PM
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Observations:

1. His "badnews" page has a link to a "JMcCanney". That guy goes on and on about the plasma theory of comets. And how NASA is out to get him.

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McCanney has offered an intriguing theory about the impending demise of the Hubble Space Telescope. Rather than being decommissioned, he suggests the telescope may actually be covertly taken over by the military.
I can't locate that at the McCanney site for more details.


2. A link to NOAA about "rapid and dramatic changes in climate", or "abrupt climate changes". I went to the NOAA site - an abrupt change is defined as taking place over decades or centuries. Not exactly "The Day After Tomorrow".

3. On Wayne's frontpage is a reference to making colloidal silver "natural antibiotic".

4. On 6/8/04, Iraq Solution
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This is the best solution to our problems in Iraq I’ve seen yet. It could even stop all the bombing in Israel. The solution came via email from my old friend Art Housholder, a legend in the ham radio repeater revolution which gave the world cell telephones.

It seems that General Black Jack Pershing, who was made general of our armies in 1919, got fed up with Muslin extremists terrorist attacks on US forces in the Philippines just before WWI. So he captured 50 terrorists and had them tied to posts. He had his men bring in a couple pigs and slaughter them in front of the terrorists. Touching pigs or their byproducts means they’d be barred from paradise, including those seven virgins, and doomed forever to hell. The soldiers soaked their bullets in the pig’s blood and executed 49 of the terrorists. They then dug a hole, threw the terrorist’s bodies in and covered them with pigs blood and entrails. They let the 50th go and for the next 42 years there wasn’t a single Muslim extremist attack anywhere in the world.

So let’s start collecting pigs blood and guts and send them to Iraq. We could even have our ammunition made with a couple drops of pigs blood in the hollow points. And whenever a martyr blows himself up we should carefully collect all the body parts we can and publicly bury them in pig’s blood and guts. No virgins for these suckers.

Isn’t it better to outsmart the terrorists than trying to outfight them?
Funny. Here's what snopes has to say
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.htm
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We haven't eliminated ruling out the possibility that Pershing at some point chose to deal with a group of "Mohammedan fanatics" in a manner similar to the one described above, but so far all we've turned up are several different accounts and nothing that documents Pershing's involvement.
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The terrorists who hijacked American Airlines Flight 11 were reportedly seen partaking of alcohol and engaging the services of naked lap dancers, activities which should have been anathema to true Muslims. Perhaps they were Muslims in name only, maybe they weren't all that devout, or possibly they rationalized that Allah would overlook their transgressions with booze and women since they were about to die in the service of Islam. Whatever the case, concerns about the afterlife probably wouldn't have dissuaded the hijackers from their plans to crash Flight 11 into the World Trade Center had a few pigs turned up on board the plane. If Allah was a concern, well, the hijackers could choose to believe that Allah would understand and make allowances for true warriors of the faith — after all, the Koran teaches against suicide in the first place.

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Palestinian Muslims reacted with scorn to the idea, saying the soul went to paradise and was unaffected by any taint to the body.

"The keys to heaven are not in the hands of settlers," said Sheikh Hassan Youssef, for Hamas, whose military wing has sent dozens of suicide bombers into Israel.

Islamic reference books say the body of a martyr who dies for the faith is so pure that it does not need to be washed before burial, in contrast to the usual Muslim practice.
In other words, it's a load. It's funny to think of turning the tables and using their fanatacism against them, but ultimately too simplistic and ineffective.
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Old 16-June-2004, 11:24 PM
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Quick response. Great job, Jay (and the others who posted here)! =D>

I didn't post an answer. Maybe it was because I didn't see the OP until others had already responded. Or maybe it was because I couldn't type so well with my jaw on the keyboard.
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Old 16-June-2004, 11:54 PM
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Then there’s the x-ray radiation from the sun, unprotected by Earth’s Van Allen Belt, which should have totally fogged the film and killed the astronauts.
This may not be the best example but didn't the United States earliest spy satellites use photographic film? As I recall the film was returned to Earth in small reentry capsules. In fact, I think the capsules were recovered with aircraft by snagged the parachute lines with a hook. The film was then taken to a lab, developed, and analyzed. I don't know what altitudes these satellites flew at but I imagine they stayed below the Van Allen Belts for the most part. Not that that matters because x-ray radiation isn't blocked by the Van Allen Belts anyway. This serves as another example of film being exposed to the environment of space and performing adequately.
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Great, now I have to kill you. Yes, Estar was one of the technologies developed for PROJECT CORONA, which was film-based. It's widely available today in several Kodak products, but in the 1960s it was exotic and secret.
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Old 17-June-2004, 12:07 AM
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PROJECT CORONA
That's the name I was trying to remember. Thanks.
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Old 17-June-2004, 03:01 AM
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Giving him both guns there Jay. =D>
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Old 17-June-2004, 05:35 AM
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The funny part is how PROJECT CORONA got its name. The proposal was typed up on a Smith-Corona typewriter. No kidding.
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